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post Tue, 28 Mar 2006 4:38 pm
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What will happen if Tosakin are given ranchu pellets like JRL?
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post Tue, 28 Mar 2006 5:06 pm
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QUOTE(Ranchu Lover @ Tue, 28 Mar 2006 9:38 am)
What will happen if Tosakin are given ranchu pellets like JRL?


I'm not an expert in Tosakin, only bred shubunkin, fantail, ryukin and now since one week I try breeding calico eggfish...
... but I think, looking to the analysis of JRL, you can use it for young fishes.
If the fish grow up, there must be not such very high protein in the feed I think.
Later, the fish needs more energy. So it is not fine to give the fish energy as protein, better is fat. If the energy is essentially in protein, the fish must produce ammonia to use the energy from protein.
Fat (fishoil) is the best digestible energy for the fish.

The sequence of digestible energy is fat, protein and then carbohydrate.
And the best digestible feed today is extruded feed.

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post Tue, 28 Mar 2006 6:11 pm
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QUOTE(yamato38gunkei @ Tue, 28 Mar 2006 2:06 pm)
Hello William,

There is a Hikari food you can use for Tosakin : "Hikari Gold".  It is not as good as Tosa Queen, but it can be an alternative.
I will try to translate the German text for you, but it may take some time as I am very busy.

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Thank you so much, Geert. I think I can find Hikari Gold here. Regarding the translation, it's no hurry, just curious.

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post Tue, 28 Mar 2006 6:33 pm
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OK... let's not disturb Geert from his breeding routine... for a small thing like translation. biggrin.gif

This is what's being translated from yahoo online translation service and some help from Günther and Sabine.

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I bring along three sorts of samples. The content looks in such a way:

(1) raw protein
(2) raw fat
(3) raw fiber
(4) raw ash
(5) other
(6) characteristic, those the manufacturer emphasizes
(7) Ingredients

A) Food name "Ranchu Kizoku", product name in North America "Japan Ranchu lord":
This is a food for Ranchu, a rather popular for "normal" owner for ranchus, in the first class.
(1) 52.1%
(2) 7.9%
(3) 3.8%
(4) 14.5%
(5) approx. 2.9%, P 1.8%
(6) It doesn't contain any wheat flour in order to avoid digestive problems. /EPA and DHA.
(7) fish flour, Okiami (small fish), squid, soy beans, algae, vitaminen, yeast, minerals. Amino acid contain. [ taste amplifiers??? shochi ]

B) Food name "Tosa Hime", product name in North America "Tosa Queen":
This is for Tosakin and Ryukin (= bsd. those, which particularly thick belly wars are).
(1) 46.0%
(2) 5.6%
(3) 5.0%
(4) 12.6%
(5) Ca.2.5% P 1.7%
(6) u.
(7) see above A);
A) and B) are manufactured by a Tosakin farm in Kochi (the place, where Tosakin comes from).

C) Food name "Hanaemi" for Osaka Ranchu, Tosakin, Izumo Nankin, Jikin, Ryukin (that are all round sorts without wens)
(1) 30.0%
(2) 5.5%
(3) 20.0%
(4) 7.0%
(5) humidity 5.0%
(6) this food is suitable for bsd. making the fish at the belly "rounder" without the wens grows. Particularly well digestible.
(7) fish flour, poultry flour (of cockerels), alpha potato flour, chitin & Chitosan (from cancer/shrimps), Chitosan Origosaeure, vitaminen. The food became from a Osakaranchu Farm?hergestellt, esp. as competition too (A).

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Still a bit raw but I believe you can get the rough idea. ;)

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post Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:47 pm
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QUOTE(desireless @ Tue, 28 Mar 2006 5:33 am)
A) Food name "Ranchu Kizoku", product name in North America "Japan Ranchu lord":
....(6) exclusion of wheat flour [ as bonding agents ] added for the avoidance of digesting disturbance/EPA and DHA.
(7) fish flour, Okiami (small fish), tintenfische,.......
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To improve on the translation ;) : it doesn't contain any wheat flour in order to avoid digestive problems.
Tintenfische are squid.
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QUOTE(desireless @ Tue, 28 Mar 2006 5:33 pm)
OK... let's not disturb Geert from his breeding routine... for a small thing like translation. biggrin.gif

This is what's being translated from yahoo online translation service and some help from Günther and Sabine.

Still a bit raw but I believe you can get the rough idea.  ;)
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QUOTE(Sabine @ Tue, 28 Mar 2006 9:47 pm)
To improve on the translation  ;) : it doesn't contain any wheat flour in order to avoid digestive problems.
Tintenfische are squid.
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Thanks a lot, really appreciate it. good.gif
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