hi.. does the food u feed have any effect on the blackness?
any colour food u feed?
from the video, i notice the poo are green

This post has been edited by tappytap: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 9:28 pm

Q1:No

Q2:Yes

Q3:That one kept in green water



congratulation BLUK has the perfect score

Only pics BCEF comes from green water

A and D are from clear water with wall algae

cp nice try but I won't be so stupid to give away their keeping from the tank I took the pics

I made the guest base on their fin, I found that when a fish kept under green water, their fin look stronger, so it does't matter what is the color of the fish.

Hi, thanks for the info. Can you pls say which fin you are referring to, or is it all the fins including the tail?

Please refer to this thread for a better understanding of the original condition of the fishes involved



http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.ph...c=3496&st=0


All fish are never pitch black to begin with.They exhibit the brassy belly as noted by all the pics I have posted.But they have not lost their color whether in green or in clear and I have never state that it will becomes darker or improve its blackness in either practices.If by virtue of its gene or breed that are not truly pitch black then there is no way you can improve it whether in green or in clear.

Hi ranchu8, It refer to all the fin, especially the tail fin, they will look more stronger and spread wider (hope you know what I mean), may be a little bit thicker,

For those who are interested to read my scientific papers on the above here are the details of my thesis

Abstract:
The use of either clear water or green water in goldfish keeping is perceived with too much controversies and skepticisms. This study is not to address each benefits neither to expose either’s shortcomings. More importantly we compare the results with clinical proof ,pictures and even a video to show what the two different techniques can offer.It is up to each keeper to decide within each means like time and space to facilitate and fabricate his/her own technique of choice.
Because of the subjectivity of these two different concepts,it is important we view it with open mind and open heart without pride and prejudice.It is not my intention to belittle any techniques nor to endorse any in this short study.

Methods and Materials

Study population
A cluster of 4 black ranchus were chosen from a batch that was featured in an earlier post.I have chosen these for the following reasons
1)Similar size(no fish head,body or tail problem as highlighted by cp)
2)Similar source(bloodline assumed to be same)
3)Similar color :for ease of interpretation and assessment

Clinical Procedure

The ranchus were secregated in groups of two and introduce into their respective guppy tubs (3 footed black).The greens have just an airstone and water change is made on a weekly basis unless it turns uneasy green(dark green)
The clear has a daily changed of aged24 hours/hypo water of about 30%
Each tub were fed 5 meals a day in addition to 2 meals of frozen blood worms

Results

30 odd days later,the fish were physically observed.I must admit that no proper weight and length were taken prior to the experiment and results are purely visual rather than mathematically substantiated.But from the result we can visually conclude that fish kept in the green showed significantly better growth, as well as better headgrowth without any loss of original color.There is no improvement of color for both with respect to their belly brassy look.The result seems to indicate a better finish in fish kept in green which may possibly lead to improved health,appetite and stability.This fact enhances the choice of this option if keepers are more into overall well-being of his fishes

Here is a picture of the four fishes harvested within the same white enamel bowl for your perusal.Please note that the picture are never adulterated in any way to suit my findings



If pictures can be altered, certainly I’m no Geogre Lucas nor Steven Speilberg to alter this video with special effects to enhance the movie in any way to suit my finding.




Incidental Findings

As both setup are fed with the same kind of feed(Hikari Lionhead,Saki,Hikari and Ranchulord)of which two carry color enhancers,surprisingly there were no significant loss of blacks nor red insertion which was previously noted to avoid in black keeping.

Conclusion

In goldfishkeeping,the choice of technique and method depend on each and individual judgement and satisfaction.To reach one’s objective,the keeper must understand specific conditions pertaining to ones keeping and work within his limits.Within the limits of this pilot study it appear at this primordial stage(30 odd days only) that when green water is selected as an initial reference,it allows the keeper to achieve faster growth,better wen development and overall vigor of the fishes



Goldrush et al 2006


Please note that the author is never a green water practitioner as most of you know.


If you ask me, is there magic in GREEN as in GOLD or GOLD as in GREEN




















My answer would be………………………………..A Billion Chinese can’t be wrong!!

Try another very difficult experiment ... with these conditions :

1. Same water vol, same line of fish, same air souce, same water source, same water change schedule, same food, feeding period, feed amount and same amount water change (everything as close as possible lah).

2. Use combine coloration fish like red/black and blue

3. use only long tailed fish, best to be oranda ( dun bother to look for blue oranda or ryukin ... u dun want to use ultra expensive fish to do experiment ). Easiest to find of course is dragon eyes.

u will love the result.

Hi Goldrush, were the tubs filled to the brim?; approximately how many litres for each of the 2 tubs? I suppose no algae in the clear water tub?

This post has been edited by ranchu8: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:34 pm

No more tubs, no more fish lah...............Give me a break







Honestly I have not calculated the exact capacity however the tubs are not filled to the brim but short of the overflow drainage that comes with each tub

And for the sake of not including any variables,they are rid off any wall algae in this exercise


regrds

goldrush