Tosakin For Comment Options

[KokiBali]

My pleasure. You should have view Geert's trip to japan - the tosakin he posted. Marvelous fishes:

http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.ph...opic=1750&st=15

Yup, very beautiful tosakins You know what, we (I and my brother) decided to buy tosakin after seeing this Ogawa's tosakin.

[desireless]

Hi, Geert. Thanks a lot for your comment, it is really enlighten me. Unfortunately, I can not open the PDF file (got scrambled text). Thanks,
William.

Same with me too. Also cannot open attached images & only got scrambled text

You need to have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your PC to be able to read .pdf files.

Download the free here:
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[d_golem]

You need to have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your PC to be able to read .pdf files.

Download the free here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

Already got Adobe Acrobat Professional. I only got problems here in RG when opening pdf files and attached images (the ones that u gotta click for full size).

[ranchu8]

Already got Adobe Acrobat Professional. I only got problems here in RG when opening pdf files and attached images (the ones that u gotta click for full size).

Hi Desireless, i too have the same problem. Is it because my cpu (with Windows 98 SE) can only download Adobe 6 reader and the above needs Adobe higher version pls? I've just visited the site you helpfully linked and downloaded the latest version possible, I believe. I'll check this in office with Windows xp.

I'm grateful to Geert for his guidance again, this time in Tosakin which fascinates me. I've been wondering what makes a real good Tosakin. Maybe the above post with the Tosakin photos from the other thread mentioned above can be placed in an easy to referred to place for Tosakin info?

[yamato38gunkei]

Dear CP and David,

Thanks for your comment. CP you are right, it's quite difficult to find information on tosakin. Some said that tosakin is better keep in a bowl or round tub, with no air, current and filtration. The tail will be broad and beautiful. I haven't done this, but I think I will try it.

As for the open gills, I think it is because the fish was moved to a bowl for photo session. Fed them with frozen bloodworm because the pellet is still to big for their mouth. Can I feed them with Hikari Lionhead?

Best regards,
William.

Hello William,

Bloodworm and Hikari Lionhead are NOT good for Tosakin ! Tosakin should be fed Daphnia, Tubifex and as a pellet food "Tosa Queen". Tosa Queen is made by the same manufacturer as Ranchu Lord.

Regards,

Geert Coppens

[yamato38gunkei]

Hi, Geert. Thanks a lot for your comment, it is really enlighten me. Unfortunately, I can not open the PDF file (got scrambled text). Could you please send it by e-mail to williamd@hotpop.com?

Regarding the bowl, how big (diameter and height) is ideal for keeping 6 tosai tosakins?  I heard that the water level should be 25 cm max. How about the water ratio, is it same as ranchu (80 ltr/fish)?

Regarding the feeding, why bloodworm is not recommended? Is it because live or frozen food is not safe? Is there any special food for tosakin or Hikari Lionhead is good enough?

Appreciate your advise.

Thanks,
William.

Hello William,

Here are some photos of the typical Tosakin Bowls. These bowls have a diametre of 55 cm. In these bowls, you can keep 10 to 15 Baby Tosakin (2-3 cm), 3 to 4 Tosai Tosakin or 2 to 3 Nisai Tosakin. A 100 % water change has to be done every day.

Regards,

Geert Coppens

[yamato38gunkei]

One more photo

[KokiBali]

You need to have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your PC to be able to read .pdf files.

Already got Adobe Acrobat Professional. I only got problems here in RG when opening pdf files and attached images (the ones that u gotta click for full size).

Hi Desireless, i too have the same problem.  Is it because my cpu (with Windows 98 SE) can only download Adobe 6 reader and the above needs Adobe higher version pls?  I've just visited the site you helpfully linked and downloaded the latest version possible, I believe. I'll check this in office with Windows xp.

Thanks for your help, Desireless. I am using Windows 98 and after re-installing the Adobe Acrobat Reader 5.0 then I can open the file from Geert. So, D_golem and Ranchu8, you can try it.

Regards,
William

[d_golem]

Hmm only in RG got problems, everywhere else is fine

Btw Geert, I think I know why you don't wanna keep tosakins they're too much work! (100% w/c everyday for that many bowls.....phew!)

[KokiBali]

Hello William,

Bloodworm and Hikari Lionhead are NOT good for Tosakin !  Tosakin should be fed Daphnia, Tubifex and as a pellet food "Tosa Queen".  Tosa Queen is made by the same manufacturer as Ranchu Lord.

Tosa Queen? I don't think I can find it here in Jakarta. Even JRL also difficult to find. I wonder if Hikari also have this kind of food, will try to find out.

Thanks a lot, Geert. You are so helpful!

Hello William,

Here are some photos of the typical Tosakin Bowls.  These bowls have a diametre of 55 cm.  In these bowls, you can keep 10 to 15 Baby Tosakin (2-3 cm), 3 to 4 Tosai Tosakin or 2 to 3 Nisai Tosakin.  A 100 % water change has to be done every day.

Diameter 55 cm and I guess the height is 20-25 cm? So the water ratio is much lower than ranchu. A 100% water change everyday is labor intensive, as you said, but I think it's worth doing it. Hope I can groom it well.

Thanks,
William

[ranchu8]

Already got Adobe Acrobat Professional. I only got problems here in RG when opening pdf files and attached images (the ones that u gotta click for full size).

After checking with an IT guy, the reason is simple: need to use Internet Explorer as browser when opening the pdf file, and not Firefox. D_golem, are you using Firefox?

[d_golem]

After checking with an IT guy, the reason is simple: need to use Internet Explorer as browser when opening the pdf file, and not Firefox. D_golem, are you using Firefox?

LOL spot on

One more thing's bugging me though. Attached images (the one that u gotta click) I found out after a few days it turned into proper full-sized images that u don't have to click on. That's a good thing, but I wonder if that also becoz I'm using Firefox also?

[yamato38gunkei]

Another detail of one of the Tosakin Bowls of Mr. Ogawa.

Regards,

Geert Coppens

[KokiBali]

Another detail of one of the Tosakin Bowls of Mr. Ogawa.

Regards,

Geert Coppens

Thanks, Geert.

I tried to find info on Tosa Queen on the net, the protein content is 46% only (compare to JRL 52.1%). I don't know the ingredients, since it is in German (as below). Hikari doesn't have this kind of food, I guess. Is it sinking pellet or floating pellet?

I noticed that the fish in your photo (the upper right one) has a split tail, is it a culled tosakin?

Regards,
William.

Hi, alle!

Ich war bis vor zwei Wochen in Japan, hab' diesmal relativ wenig Zeit dort gehabt, dennoch wollte ich unbedingt eins machen: Futter anschauen.

In Japan gibt es nämlich Goldfischfutter nur für bestimmte Rassen.
Bei der rassenspezifischen Dosis geht es in erster Linie um die Frage, ob bei den Fischen das Geschwulst auf dem Kopf gut wachsen soll oder nicht + ob die Fische kräftig zunehmen sollen oder nicht.

Dann werden solche rassenspezifischen Futter je nach Alter der Goldfische verpackt. Ob die Substanzen anders sind, kannich nicht sagen, da ich nicht so genau darauf geachtet habe.

Als Probe habe ich drei Sorten mitgebracht. Der Gehalt sieht so aus:

(1) Roheiweiß (2) Rohfett (3) Rohfaser (4) Rohasche (5) sonstige
(6) Besonderheit, die der Hersteller hervorhebt
(7) Ingredienzen

A) Futtername "Ranchu Kizoku" , Produktname in Nordamerika "Japan Ranchu Lord":
Dies ist ein unter "normalen" Ranchuhaltern ziemlich beliebtes Futter für Ranchu im ersten Jahrgang.
(1) 52,1% (2) 7,9% (3) 3,8% (4) 14,5% (5) Ca 2,9%, P 1,8%
(6) Ausschluß von Weizenmehl [als Bindemittel] zur Vermeidung von Vedauungsstörungen / EPA u. DHA zugesetzt.
(7) Fischmehl, Okiami (kleine Fische), Tintenfische, Sojabohnen, Algen, Vitaminen, Hefe, Mineralien. Aminosäure enthalten. [Geschmacksverstärker??? shochi]

B) Futtername "Tosa Hime", Produktname in Nordamerika "Tosa Queen":
Dies ist für Tosakin und Ryukin (=bsd. die, die besonders dicken Bauch kriegen sollen).

(1) 46,0% (2) 5,6% (3) 5,0% (4) 12,6% (5) Ca.2.5% P 1,7%
(6) u. (7) siehe oben A); A) und B) werden von einer Tosakin-Farm in Kochi (der Ort, wo Tosakin her kommt) hergestellt.

C) Futtername "Hanaemi" für Osaka-Ranchu, Tosakin, Izumo-Nankin, Jikin, Ryukin (das sind alle runden Sorten ohne WEN)

(1) 30,0% (2) 5,5% (3) 20,0% (4) 7,0% (5) Feuchtigkeit 5,0%
(6) Dieses Futter ist bsd. geeignet dafür, die Fische am Bauch "runder" zu machen, ohne daß der WEN wächst. Besonders gut verdaulich.
(7) Fischmehl, Geflügelmehl (von Hähnchen), Alpha-Kartoffelmehl, Chitin & Chitosan (aus Krebsen/Garnelen), Chitosan-Origosäure, Vitaminen.

Das Futter wurde von einer Osakaranchu-Farm　hergestellt, insb. als Konkurrenz zu (A).

[yamato38gunkei]

Hello William,

There is a Hikari food you can use for Tosakin : "Hikari Gold". It is not as good as Tosa Queen, but it can be an alternative.
I will try to translate the German text for you, but it may take some time as I am very busy.

Regards,

Geert Coppens