Ga 004 - Ranchu Options

[yamato38gunkei]

What do you all think of this Nisai Ranchu ? Thai ? Japanese ?

[Frankie]

As a newbie and having seen many photos of ranchu on the internet regarding good Japanese ranchu and also Thai, I believe that it looks like a champion Japanese ranchu. This ranchu will grow up to be a real beauty. If it is a Thai ranchu, then I think the Japanese breeder will be worried.

As for my personal preference, I think that the fish is almost perfect except that I prefer the split at the center of the tail to be deeper and also my personal preference for complete red ranchu.

What do the others think?

[Frankie]

I would guess that it is a japanese

[Frankie]

hello Mr Geert.

I am very new to ranchu judgement and still training my "ranchu eye" very very hard. But I would like to try. Pardon me if I am wrong.

To me, I think this ranchu is more like a Japanese breed. Because

1) the scale is pretty fine and uniform
2) the color is deep but don't shine
3) the tail: 1) sharp tail fin (caudal fins all way up to upper caudal lobes),2) soft lower caudal lobes.
I give these 3 pts the lookout for viewing the difference
Please give feedback.

Thanks!

[Frankie]

nice fish.....
neat scales, tail open up nicely....
adequate headgrowth......
good slim body....
good contrast of colours...

a double thumbs up....

[Frankie]

IMHO...

Nice head
Nice body
Nice caudal peduncle but would prefer a more curved peduncle to give it a more compact/taut look
Nice tail
Nice body markings
Cannot tell if Jap or Thai
Looks like Tosai...

[Frankie]

I love this fish. I don't care if it's Thai or Japanese primarily because I can't tell them apart (except when they are of commercial grade.) I do, however, find this Nisai a little small for its age. I wish it has more bulk. The tails, although a little small, is nice. It's a 4-pivoted and have the right suspended structure. This is a powerful fish.

So the above is my view. Now your turn to tell me if it's a Thai or a Japanese Ranchu. I really wish I know how to tell the difference. Thanx.

[Frankie]

I have guessed that it is a jap. however i think it is still very far off from a champion nisai.

the build simply isn't there for a nisai.

[Frankie]

pardon me if i am wrong, but from the look of the fish, its not a Jap and its not a Thai....

looks uncanningly like Geert's own bloodline....
its a Belgium ranchu.....

Geert, correct me if i am wrong....

[Frankie]

I my opnion, I really think it is a Thai.

I too feel it's head is a little under develop for a full Nisai and it's tail does not have sign than it is full Nisai, but then again, this fish could be a young Nisai.

A nice fish indeed. cheers

[Frankie]

What do you all think of this Nisai Ranchu ?  Thai ?  Japanese ?

That's a tough question.
Belong to one of your club member's fish ? I don't think is your lineage.

Okayama's line, probably kato or kashino lineage.

Head is ok, not broad enough.
Neatness on scale, but don't looks like a japan fish.
Coloration seems to a little weird. Doesn't seems to suggest good keeping.
Tail looks stiff. Really need to see how it swim then can tell.
Slightly thin overall, still a neat fish for keeping purpose.
Yet to reach the full potential of a nisai. Lacking in body mass.

Not a japan raised fish.

[yamato38gunkei]

Maybe this will help a little. At the time of the photo, it was a very young Nisai (11 months). But this Ranchu is born in 2003 and the photo is taken in 2004, so it is a Nisai.

[Frankie]

looks thai, yet certain features it has resembles jap..

scaling doesn't look jap

under developed for a jap nisai if it is..

[Frankie]

Maybe this will help a little.  At the time of the photo, it was a very young Nisai (11 months).  But this Ranchu is born in 2003 and the photo is taken in 2004, so it is a Nisai.

That should explain why most feature not develop yet. Pretty late spawn ...

Considering an 11 mths old fish, it's quite good already. 4 more months to see full potential.

And I still stick my head out .... not a Japan raised fish. A sure japan bloodline. Dun looks thai at all.

[HappyBuddha]

What do you all think of this Nisai Ranchu ?  Thai ?  Japanese ?

Geert, I think many of us are quite eager to find out the answer...please?