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RBT
post Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:24 pm
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Dear Friends,

My head is spinning,just read this link http://www.miraclekoifood.com

They r claiming no water change is needed!!!THIS has contradicted all that i have learnt this past months!!!!! cry.gif

Maybe there r referring to extremly low stocking level??

What u guys make of it?

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post Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:33 pm
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you using for koi or for goldfish? biggrin.gif
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post Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:45 pm
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These types of fish MUST scold them everytime sucking spitting sucking spitting sooooo busy!!!!

Anyway,idea is,if such a thing(which was THE in thing 20-25 years back) can really work the way that they claim,any type of fish should be ok!!(ok right???)

errrr.....answer is gold fish hehe
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post Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:48 pm
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can lor.. fish don't grow well only ma.. biggrin.gif
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post Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:59 am
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QUOTE(CyberET @ Wed 30 Jun 2004 11:48 PM)
can lor.. fish don't grow well only ma.. biggrin.gif

yah i know i know yes.gif

but what they claim,so interesting!!(maybe me lazy to do water change shiok.gif )

anyway will put up which part i find super interesting tomorrow. peace.gif

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post Thu, 01 Jul 2004 9:30 am
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wow, gravel filter for koi pond!

Elson how? u want or not? tongue.gif
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post Thu, 01 Jul 2004 12:16 pm
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siao ah.. don't want! tongue1.gif
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post Thu, 01 Jul 2004 3:56 pm
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Dear Bros,the following is an excerpt which i have copied(please pardon any typo error).

Go to www.miraclekoifood.com.On the left look for F.A.Q.'s--highlight it then go to miscellaneous.Go to last paragraph ,of that page, 8 lines down.

quote".......The Clearwater Filter gives you 100% filtration all the time.After 90 days you can throw your PH test kit away if you have set the PH where you wanted it in this time period.Keep your hands out of the water.Use gloves(long ones).Don't over feed or you will have to clean the gravel which disturbs the ammonia and it will raise a little causing your nitrites & PH to be disturbed.DON'T make water changes.The water in your aquarium is better than the city sells you to drink.Just add the evaporated water back to your aquarium." end quote



sieow liao sieow liao, cry.gif

1.Does the nitrate really no longer accumulate?PH,surprise that it can maintain itself!!!

2.Hey,this is koi/gold fish we r talking abt,don't they go round the bottom sucking n spitting at the gravel? (looks like kicking themselves)

3.Don't fishes secrete growth inhibiting pheromone?n where does these go?the stocking level must be very low,right?

Oh yah,they did mention somewhere that the thickness of the gravel should not exceed 7" for FW n SW.


COMMENTS PLEASE!!! peace.gif
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post Thu, 01 Jul 2004 4:27 pm
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QUOTE(RBT @ Thu 01 Jul 2004 03:56 PM)
Keep your hands out of the water.Use gloves(long ones).

Tell me what is this about ? Can't I use bare hand in the water ?

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Don't over feed

might as well dun keep fish.

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or you will have to clean the gravel which disturbs the ammonia and it will raise a little causing your nitrites & PH to be disturbed.

doesn't that sounds like a denitrator ...

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DON'T make water changes.The water in your aquarium is better than the city sells you to drink.

no scientific proof

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1.Does the nitrate really no longer accumulate?PH,surprise that it can maintain itself!!! Oh yah,they did mention somewhere that the thickness of the gravel should not exceed 7" for FW n SW.

A denitration process at work.

Still need any comment ?
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post Thu, 01 Jul 2004 8:47 pm
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Perhaps this company can also sell you oil of snake! If not I will sell you some for half the price of this system.

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post Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:05 pm
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QUOTE(olddog @ Thu 01 Jul 2004 08:47 PM)
Perhaps this company can also sell you oil of snake!

Sorry. Don't understand your statement.
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post Fri, 02 Jul 2004 8:48 am
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actually, the product is possible. how neh?

1. feed very little. so very little waste.
2. Use denitrifying sand bed theory. use thick gravel layer for denitrification of the little nitrate produced.
3. Use zeolite as part of the gravel bed to absorb ammonia. no ammonia = no nitrification = no need worry too much abt pH drop.
4. Use some form of buffer as part of gravel bed.

See, very easy to get stable pH and no need to change water right (doesn't work on a permanent basis ah... too bad) tongue.gif
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post Fri, 02 Jul 2004 8:59 am
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kois love to dig the gravel for food sad.gif
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post Fri, 02 Jul 2004 9:29 am
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the selling point is water , not fish. so who cares !?!
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post Fri, 02 Jul 2004 9:56 am
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Wah forever no need to change water ! This is better than someone at AF with 35 years preaching 4 months no need to change water !

Sibei lame !
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