Tosakin For Comment Options

[KokiBali]

Hi Bros and Sis,

My brother purchased these baby tosakin couples weeks ago, it starts changing colour now. Size about 3-4 cm (mouth to tail). All comments are welcome. Any advise in rearing them will be appreciated.

Thanks,
William.

Fish #1


Fish #2


Fish #3


Fish #4

[KokiBali]

These last 2 fish are of different bloodline of the previous 4.

Fish #5


Fish #6


Regards,
William.

[CP]

I am no expert, but I think that these are good quality tosakins.Very few tosakin keepers in this forum.

I have also read that Tosakin black babies maintain their black for a very long time,up to one year.Not too sure about that.

[top_view_ranchu]

Agree with CP. Looks good to me thou!
Are some of their open gills a problem?

[KokiBali]

I am no expert, but I think that these are good quality tosakins.Very few tosakin keepers in this forum.

I have also read that Tosakin black babies maintain their black for a very long time,up to one year.Not too sure about that.

Agree with CP. Looks good to me thou!
Are some of their open gills a problem? 

Dear CP and David,

Thanks for your comment. CP you are right, it's quite difficult to find information on tosakin. Some said that tosakin is better keep in a bowl or round tub, with no air, current and filtration. The tail will be broad and beautiful. I haven't done this, but I think I will try it.

As for the open gills, I think it is because the fish was moved to a bowl for photo session. Fed them with frozen bloodworm because the pellet is still to big for their mouth. Can I feed them with Hikari Lionhead?

Best regards,
William.

[ranchu8]

wah, nice tosakin ... rarely see this quality of yong tosakin in Singapore, maybe because I've not been around enough ... must be even more difficult to take photos of tosakin (than tvr) since any movement will affect shape of the relatively big tail. I prefer tosakin #4 but is there a small fold in its tail?

Kokibali, is it ok to say whether these tosakin were bred in Japan, Indonesia or elsewhere?

[chochiss]

Nice fishes. I like fish #4 the most. Believe it will turn out to be such a beauty.

[ranchu8]

ps I also like tosakin #3 - tail has a good length

[yamato38gunkei]

Please excuse me for spoiling the fun a little. I think the quality of these Tosakin is not so good. As with Ranchu, the tail is very important for Tosakin. All these Tosakin have a bad tail.

Please look very carefully at the drawing that I post with this message.

One of the important points is that the rear part of the tail should be wider than the part in the middle (the part before the tail starts to curl). All Tosakin have the middle part wider than the rear part.

Also look at the sideview drawing. The line of the tail should be horizontal. All Tosakin on the photos have the line of the tail that is higher. This is why they swim with their head down.

Heads should be longer and much more pointed. Bellies should be rounder. The body shape should be a triangle.

I hope I do not disappoint you too much. I know there is almost no information available about Tosakin outside Japan. This is why it is not easy to keep and breed them. It is necessary to keep the Tosai in bowls without aeration. Do not feed them bloodworm.

Regards,

Geert Coppens

[KokiBali]

wah, nice tosakin ... rarely see this quality of yong tosakin in Singapore, maybe because I've not been around enough ... must be even more difficult to take photos of tosakin (than tvr) since any movement will affect shape of the relatively big tail.  I prefer tosakin #4 but is there a small fold in its tail?

Kokibali, is it ok to say whether these tosakin were bred in Japan, Indonesia or elsewhere?

ps I also like tosakin #3 - tail has a good length

Thanks for your compliment. Wah, you have sharp eyes! I studied all photos of fish #4, I think you are right, it seems that the tail tends to fold. Here are more photos on fish #4:





These tosakin were bred in Indonesia, the breeder said all parents from Jap.

Regards,
William.

[KokiBali]

Nice fishes. I like fish #4 the most. Believe it will turn out to be such a beauty.

Hi, Chociss. I hope so. Thanks for your compliment.

Regards,
William.

[KokiBali]

Please excuse me for spoiling the fun a little.  I think the quality of these Tosakin is not so good.  As with Ranchu, the tail is very important for Tosakin.  All these Tosakin have a bad tail. 

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Regards,

Geert Coppens

Hi, Geert. Thanks a lot for your comment, it is really enlighten me. Unfortunately, I can not open the PDF file (got scrambled text). Could you please send it by e-mail to williamd@hotpop.com?

Regarding the bowl, how big (diameter and height) is ideal for keeping 6 tosai tosakins? I heard that the water level should be 25 cm max. How about the water ratio, is it same as ranchu (80 ltr/fish)?

Regarding the feeding, why bloodworm is not recommended? Is it because live or frozen food is not safe? Is there any special food for tosakin or Hikari Lionhead is good enough?

Appreciate your advise.

Thanks,
William.

[d_golem]

Unfortunately, I can not open the PDF file (got scrambled text).?

Same with me too. Also cannot open attached images & only got scrambled text

[KokiBali]

Hi, Geert. Thanks a lot for your comment, it is really enlighten me. Unfortunately, I can not open the PDF file (got scrambled text). Could you please send it by e-mail to williamd@hotpop.com?

Geert, no need to send it. Finally I can open it. Maybe something wrong with my Adobe Acrobat Reader program.

It's in Japanese, can someone translate it into English please?

Thanks,
William.

[chochiss]

Hi, Chochiss. I hope so. Thanks for your compliment.

Regards,
William.

My pleasure. You should have view Geert's trip to japan - the tosakin he posted. Marvelous fishes:

http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.ph...opic=1750&st=15