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| mountain |
 Thu, 07 Oct 2004 4:45 pm
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---- I think for PH crash it might be misleading to have SODIUM BICARBONATE as 1st line of treatment .. SODIUM BICARBONATE is for buffering water, and not for treatment of fish's health  plus if the PH crash, HB wouldn't advised you to dump 2 teaspoon of BS into the water immediately |
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Ah ken, you want me to start the shooting gallery har ...
from 8.3 u buffered to 6 deg, then the measured pH is 8.4. 0.1 only mah, sounds so little. From 6.9 u buffered the same amount (assuming u have digitally measured to the exact), the pH and kH measured 7.4 and 6 deg respectively. 0.5 only mah, also little. You have just proven 1 important factor - pH is not directly proportional to kH. And also, a big question i hv in mind is what acid did you use to bring the pH down from your usual 8+ pH to 6.9 ? What make your water high pH ? how did the acid bring it down ? how much buffer did u really add to make 6 deg, same as before u add the acid ? Why is there such a big different in pH when carbonate is added at different ph of water initially ? 0.1 might not be significant to you for the time being. Period. Have fun! |
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mountain PH Buffer Thu, 07 Oct 2004 4:45 pm
goldrush
Hi Mountain
I agree with you that sodium bicar... Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:03 am HappyBuddha Good write-ups Goldrush!
I'll try to ... Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:42 am
cktan
Err, i think goldfish can tolerate a sudden rise... Fri, 08 Oct 2004 7:44 pm
desireless
I would agree for temperature. Rule of thumb is n... Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:48 pm cktan
I nv tried this but i believe if one put a goldf... Sat, 09 Oct 2004 1:32 pm goldrush Thxs for the compliment :good_very :unsure
Espec... Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:36 am The Matrix
What is Limited Filtration Techniques ?
Other th... Fri, 08 Oct 2004 4:19 pm goldrush
Hi Matrix
By my defination,simple and limited f... Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:23 am desireless One more point to note is, one of the reasons why ... Fri, 08 Oct 2004 2:55 pm CP Hmm.. would the administrator help to split this b... Fri, 08 Oct 2004 7:17 pm HappyBuddha
Although koi and goldfish are in the same ... Sat, 09 Oct 2004 7:31 am supzfier does it mean that >
1 as time goes by, biofilt... Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:43 am The Matrix
1 - Yes. If the filtration media chosen does not... Mon, 10 Jan 2005 9:41 am supzfier :blush
have been buffering but really dont know ... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:12 am CP
That is assuming that the old tank water is of lo... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 1:12 pm mountain rule of thumb is 1 teaspoon per ft , but this is w... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:41 am desireless BS will raise pH a little but that's not the w... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 2:04 pm The Matrix Correct some of your mistakes hor ...
BS will rai... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 3:49 pm desireless
Substantiate my post a little
I have tested this... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 5:21 pm CP
For sake of discussion.
If the experiment is to ... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 6:26 pm goldrush To add further to this interesting discussion
If ... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 4:10 pm goldrush There seems to be a lot of confusion in the terms ... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 4:18 pm The Matrix hahahahahaha .... newbies will get suck into the d... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 4:25 pm The Matrix Goldrush, add more confusion, Total Hardness is a ... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 4:48 pm goldrush Yo matrix, enough liao too cheem to understand.New... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 5:38 pm The Matrix
hahahahaha doc, dun apologize. Just my shooting ... Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:23 am CP Supzfier,
Dont worry.This is easier to understand.... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 6:08 pm desireless Sorry I misread the post.
Somehow, it doesn't... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 6:54 pm peter porker although highly not recommended, I have, out of de... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 7:33 pm supzfier
away from the discussion...
assuming that the ... Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:02 pm peter porker
I'm not sure BS works the same way as those... Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:34 pm desireless Re-did the experiment. There's a 0.5pH shift. ... Tue, 11 Jan 2005 9:05 pm desireless
Ah Kenn, the important issue to address here is, ... Wed, 12 Jan 2005 2:41 am The Matrix It's okay. Just an advice, dun limit yourself ... Wed, 12 Jan 2005 8:51 am desireless Why would you want to buffer your old water for? A... Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:28 am jhansolo
Won't that subject your fish to extreme pH s... Thu, 13 Jan 2005 1:58 pm The Matrix 4 ppm of ammonium ions measured at pH of 6 does no... Thu, 13 Jan 2005 7:52 am desireless It's just for comparison lah.
A mastro like y... Thu, 13 Jan 2005 1:48 pm desireless The ammonium/ammonia is in the water.
So if you c... Thu, 13 Jan 2005 2:01 pm jhansolo I'm not too convinced that BB is not there at ... Thu, 13 Jan 2005 6:28 pm
CP
I share the same sentiments,though my example is ... Thu, 13 Jan 2005 7:24 pm desireless
I won't dare to say for sure that at pH6 ther... Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:16 pm CP I think 2 pH jump can kill.Thats 100 times differe... Thu, 13 Jan 2005 7:11 pm mountain supzfier .. how are things? Thu, 13 Jan 2005 7:47 pm desireless
Like I say, before I knew about pH buffer and BB ... Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:24 pm supzfier As one of those who dont practice buffering becaus... Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:09 am jhansolo
That is good continue to monitor, but your metho... Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:52 am desireless
Hi supzfier,
You see, I kept stressing some poin... Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:06 pm supzfier enlightened :good Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:04 pm iso7012003 Post splitted from here.
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Dear HappyBuddha,
... Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:13 am desireless Hi,
Baking Soda is "Sodium BiCarbonate... Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:19 am The Matrix 碳酸氢钠。又... Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:51 am iso7012003 Thanks a lot Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:27 pm Bandit Hi,
Newbie hereafter reading the super long posti... Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:04 am jowy_ham Me also newbie here, but would like to try answer ... Fri, 04 Mar 2005 2:33 am
desireless
Very good! A Star!! :good_very Fri, 04 Mar 2005 2:40 am CP
Hoi, you member ID 147 consider newbie then I ID3... Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:59 pm desireless >>2 feet tank, OHF (Dolphin brand pump CR880... Fri, 04 Mar 2005 2:38 am CP
Bro,
Do you mean 3 or 0.3?
+/- pH of 3 means pH ... Fri, 04 Mar 2005 1:57 pm desireless
Alamak http://www.kapook.com/msn/images/emoticons... Fri, 04 Mar 2005 3:10 pm jowy_ham Thank you, Thank you :P
Glad to know that most ... Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:19 am CyberET hehehe.. pH 4.. fish almost dead liaoz Fri, 04 Mar 2005 2:08 pm goldrush I like you cpiw
remember what I post on the very ... Sat, 05 Mar 2005 10:20 am CP
Oh NO!!!
I already have a loving wife... Sat, 05 Mar 2005 1:50 pm goldrush Dear Newbies
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After reading a lot of posts about water... Wed, 14 Jan 2009 2:16 am CyberET sort of :)
your water is harder than what we get h... Thu, 26 Mar 2009 3:39 pm |
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