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post Thu, 07 Oct 2004 4:45 pm
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I think for PH crash it might be misleading to have SODIUM BICARBONATE as 1st line of treatment .. SODIUM BICARBONATE is for buffering water, and not for treatment of fish's health smile.gif plus if the PH crash, HB wouldn't advised you to dump 2 teaspoon of BS into the water immediately smile.gif
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Why would you want to buffer your old water for? As mentioned before, pH buffering is to make sure the water will maintain longer at a certain stabilized pH. It's purpose is NOT to raise the pH of your water. This act is dangerous

Ok, assuming that you do that...

The most amount of SB that you can add to your water, is the amount that will bring the dkH of your water to max 7dkH. Anything more than that might not do good for your fishes. So for example, if your old water pH is already at 6 and you buffer the water to 5dkH. And assuming that 0.2 rise per dkH increased (for that pH range), the pH in your old water will stablize at 7pH (6 + 5x0.2pH rise = 6+1). This might spell danger, depending on the temperature of the old water. Please refer to this chart on the toxicity of ammonium at different pH at 25 degrees celcius. The graph will shift for other temperature. But you can see the trend that at lower pH, the ammonia in the form of ammonium will be harmless to your fishes. At 25 degree celcius, if you do this, your fish are lucky to survive if it happened that the ammonia level is at a level of 4ppm and below (refering to that chart)

Upon seeing your old water is already at pH6, you ought to change the water 100% to be safe. Then having buffer the new water, the 100% water will be maintained at pH7.9 (7.5 from tap + little more due to SB) for a long time (say, one week). Meaning to say, the water will maintain at maybe pH7.9 for a steady one week. That's the way you should buffer your aquarium. Don't worry about the small increase in the pH of your new water at this point of time.

Things to take note of:
- If you never have the habit of buffering your water and want to start now, then do a 100% water change and buffer the new water to 5dkH accordingly.
- Do not buffer old water as much as possible. Meaning, buffer only new water.
- Observe water change routine as strictly as possible. 100% ought to be done regularly too. For eg, you do 30% change every wed and 100% change every Sunday.
- So for that 30% change, you only buffer the new 30% water.

pH Buffering will STABILIZE your pH. The main usage of SB is NOT TO RAISE pH. I personnaly see the "increment of pH" due to buffering, as a "side-effect". But there's no worry for this because the increment is always very little.

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Take another example. Same setup. But your old water is already at pH7. so you add SB to the water. The pH of the water rises due of this "pH increment side-effect of SB" to say, 7.5pH. Read the chart again from the 4.0 ppm down. You'll reach an "orange" area. At this point of time, it spells danger to your fishes.
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mountain   PH Buffer   Thu, 07 Oct 2004 4:45 pm
goldrush   Hi Mountain I agree with you that sodium bicar...   Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:03 am
HappyBuddha   Good write-ups Goldrush! I'll try to ...   Fri, 08 Oct 2004 10:42 am
cktan   Err, i think goldfish can tolerate a sudden rise...   Fri, 08 Oct 2004 7:44 pm
desireless   I would agree for temperature. Rule of thumb is n...   Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:48 pm
cktan   I nv tried this but i believe if one put a goldf...   Sat, 09 Oct 2004 1:32 pm
goldrush   Thxs for the compliment :good_very :unsure Espec...   Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:36 am
The Matrix   What is Limited Filtration Techniques ? Other th...   Fri, 08 Oct 2004 4:19 pm
goldrush   Hi Matrix By my defination,simple and limited f...   Sat, 09 Oct 2004 10:23 am
desireless   One more point to note is, one of the reasons why ...   Fri, 08 Oct 2004 2:55 pm
CP   Hmm.. would the administrator help to split this b...   Fri, 08 Oct 2004 7:17 pm
HappyBuddha   Although koi and goldfish are in the same ...   Sat, 09 Oct 2004 7:31 am
supzfier   does it mean that > 1 as time goes by, biofilt...   Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:43 am
The Matrix   1 - Yes. If the filtration media chosen does not...   Mon, 10 Jan 2005 9:41 am
supzfier   :blush have been buffering but really dont know ...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:12 am
CP   That is assuming that the old tank water is of lo...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 1:12 pm
mountain   rule of thumb is 1 teaspoon per ft , but this is w...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:41 am
desireless   BS will raise pH a little but that's not the w...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 2:04 pm
The Matrix   Correct some of your mistakes hor ... BS will rai...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 3:49 pm
desireless   Substantiate my post a little I have tested this...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 5:21 pm
CP   For sake of discussion. If the experiment is to ...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 6:26 pm
goldrush   To add further to this interesting discussion If ...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 4:10 pm
goldrush   There seems to be a lot of confusion in the terms ...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 4:18 pm
The Matrix   hahahahahaha .... newbies will get suck into the d...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 4:25 pm
The Matrix   Goldrush, add more confusion, Total Hardness is a ...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 4:48 pm
goldrush   Yo matrix, enough liao too cheem to understand.New...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 5:38 pm
The Matrix   hahahahaha doc, dun apologize. Just my shooting ...   Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:23 am
CP   Supzfier, Dont worry.This is easier to understand....   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 6:08 pm
desireless   Sorry I misread the post. Somehow, it doesn't...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 6:54 pm
peter porker   although highly not recommended, I have, out of de...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 7:33 pm
supzfier   away from the discussion... assuming that the ...   Wed, 12 Jan 2005 10:02 pm
peter porker   I'm not sure BS works the same way as those...   Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:34 pm
desireless   Re-did the experiment. There's a 0.5pH shift. ...   Tue, 11 Jan 2005 9:05 pm
The Matrix   Ah ken, you want me to start the shooting gallery ...   Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:17 am
desireless   Ah Kenn, the important issue to address here is, ...   Wed, 12 Jan 2005 2:41 am
The Matrix   It's okay. Just an advice, dun limit yourself ...   Wed, 12 Jan 2005 8:51 am
desireless   Why would you want to buffer your old water for? A...   Thu, 13 Jan 2005 12:28 am
jhansolo   Won't that subject your fish to extreme pH s...   Thu, 13 Jan 2005 1:58 pm
The Matrix   4 ppm of ammonium ions measured at pH of 6 does no...   Thu, 13 Jan 2005 7:52 am
desireless   It's just for comparison lah. A mastro like y...   Thu, 13 Jan 2005 1:48 pm
desireless   The ammonium/ammonia is in the water. So if you c...   Thu, 13 Jan 2005 2:01 pm
jhansolo   I'm not too convinced that BB is not there at ...   Thu, 13 Jan 2005 6:28 pm
CP   I share the same sentiments,though my example is ...   Thu, 13 Jan 2005 7:24 pm
desireless   I won't dare to say for sure that at pH6 ther...   Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:16 pm
CP   I think 2 pH jump can kill.Thats 100 times differe...   Thu, 13 Jan 2005 7:11 pm
mountain   supzfier .. how are things?   Thu, 13 Jan 2005 7:47 pm
desireless   Like I say, before I knew about pH buffer and BB ...   Thu, 13 Jan 2005 10:24 pm
supzfier   As one of those who dont practice buffering becaus...   Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:09 am
jhansolo   That is good continue to monitor, but your metho...   Fri, 14 Jan 2005 11:52 am
desireless   Hi supzfier, You see, I kept stressing some poin...   Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:06 pm
supzfier   enlightened :good   Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:04 pm
iso7012003   Post splitted from here. === Dear HappyBuddha, ...   Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:13 am
desireless   Hi, Baking Soda is "Sodium BiCarbonate...   Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:19 am
The Matrix   碳酸氢钠。又...   Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:51 am
iso7012003   Thanks a lot   Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:27 pm
Bandit   Hi, Newbie hereafter reading the super long posti...   Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:04 am
jowy_ham   Me also newbie here, but would like to try answer ...   Fri, 04 Mar 2005 2:33 am
desireless   Very good! A Star!! :good_very   Fri, 04 Mar 2005 2:40 am
CP   Hoi, you member ID 147 consider newbie then I ID3...   Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:59 pm
desireless   >>2 feet tank, OHF (Dolphin brand pump CR880...   Fri, 04 Mar 2005 2:38 am
CP   Bro, Do you mean 3 or 0.3? +/- pH of 3 means pH ...   Fri, 04 Mar 2005 1:57 pm
desireless   Alamak http://www.kapook.com/msn/images/emoticons...   Fri, 04 Mar 2005 3:10 pm
jowy_ham   Thank you, Thank you :P Glad to know that most ...   Fri, 04 Mar 2005 11:19 am
CyberET   hehehe.. pH 4.. fish almost dead liaoz   Fri, 04 Mar 2005 2:08 pm
goldrush   I like you cpiw remember what I post on the very ...   Sat, 05 Mar 2005 10:20 am
CP   Oh NO!!! I already have a loving wife...   Sat, 05 Mar 2005 1:50 pm
goldrush   Dear Newbies On the subject of pH and what it has...   Sun, 06 Mar 2005 10:12 am
Bandit   Thanks guys for the reply I'm begining to have...   Sun, 06 Mar 2005 6:36 pm
ranchu8   Hi, my green water fluctuates between 8.0 (day tim...   Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:17 pm
CyberET   hmm.. mine goes up to 10 at times :)   Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:37 pm
clm2206   Hi bros, After reading a lot of posts about water...   Wed, 14 Jan 2009 2:16 am
CyberET   sort of :) your water is harder than what we get h...   Thu, 26 Mar 2009 3:39 pm


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