PH Buffer, Die Die must. Period. Options

[mountain]

splitted from thread here.
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I think for PH crash it might be misleading to have SODIUM BICARBONATE as 1st line of treatment .. SODIUM BICARBONATE is for buffering water, and not for treatment of fish's health plus if the PH crash, HB wouldn't advised you to dump 2 teaspoon of BS into the water immediately

[Bandit]

Hi,

Newbie hereafter reading the super long posting 4pages I still dont quite understand.

Hope some old birds can give me advice

Just started rearing goldfish this week. Configuration is as follow

2 feet tank, OHF (Dolphin brand pump CR8800), white filter mat'l bought at LFS, Cosmo surface skimmer, 6 med size oranda.

What's the definition of PH crash?
How to prevent PH crash?
What are the chances of goldfish survicing PH crash?
What should be administer to the goldfish who suffer the PH crash ordeal?

What's the definition of PH shock?
How to prevent PH shock?

Whats the definition of PH buffering?
Is PH buffering only applicable for Bio filtration?

Is it possible to setup BB on my OHF and how do I go abt doing it?
What is cannister? is it same as OHF but using different filtration?

Sorry for the long list of question.

[jowy_ham]

Me also newbie here, but would like to try answer your Qs so that I can learn as well ( Older bros here please and do correct me if I'm wrong ) and also gauge my understanding of pH buffering.

2 feet tank, OHF (Dolphin brand pump CR8800),  white filter mat'l bought at LFS, Cosmo surface skimmer, 6 med size oranda.[/

, I do not know what is the standard dimension of tanks ( cos I'm using tubs ), but a calculation of a 2ft x 1ft x 2ft tank will only hold ~100L of water which is way below the recommended amount of water for 6 med size orandas. In other words, U are overstock !!!

The recommended amount of water per goldfish here is AT LEAST 50L per fish.

What's the definition of PH crash?
How to prevent PH crash?
What are the chances of goldfish survicing PH crash?
What should be administer to the goldfish who suffer the PH crash ordeal?

- pH crash is a sudden drop in pH ( maybe from 8 to 5/4 or even lower ) due to the lack of pH buffering.
- cannot answer your 2nd Q cos never experience it before ( and touchwood, dont want it to happen also ) but I think if the crash is not too bad ( meaning the drop is not too drastic ) and actions are taken immdiately to rectify the situation ( change water ), then the chances of surviving is higher.
- nothing, change water IMMEDIATELY

What's the definition of PH shock?
How to prevent PH shock?

- pH shock is the goldfish having to switch from 1 pH ( maybe from pH 5 ) to another pH within a short period of time ( to pH 8 ). Could be from higher to lower pH also.
- Gradually accustom your goldfish to the increase in pH. Maybe having some pH 5 water mixed with some pH 8 water ( balance out the pH abit ) then put the goldfish in this mid-range pH water for a while ( maybe 1/2 day to 1 day ) before releasing it in pH 8 water. <- jus my wild thinking

Whats the definition of PH buffering?
Is PH buffering only applicable for Bio filtration?

- pH buffering is to stablized the pH/reduce the amount of pH dropped over the days before the next water change.
- No, cos I know green water that some bros practice also needs pH buffering.

Is it possible to setup BB on my OHF and how do I go abt doing it?
What is cannister? is it same as OHF but using different filtration?

- Yes, why not. There are a few ways :
1. Buy expensive BB liquid and pour into your tank ( speed up the cycling process )
2. Bring some cycled media from another tank to your tank ( not recommended as disease might be brought over as well )
3. Do more often water changes and let the tank cycled itself ( maybe of instead once per week, change that to once every 3~4 days )

- A cannister is just another filteration system
- Yes

OK, old forumers/bros/masters, U guys can shoot me now but I newbie hor, dont shoot till i lie dead hor