Goldfish Certs - Does It Make Sense? Options

[CP]

Arowanas has come with a certificate and chip implant for some time now.It was done with a purpose,the reason in which I am not very sure but has since been a common acceptable practice.

I have also seen high grade kois bearing certificates from Momotaro at Max Koi Farm.The kois costs thousands for a 30cm one.

But certificates for goldfish? ;) I first came across them late last year,bearing the name of the farm that produces the goldfish and a classification of the fish,usually a 'showclass' or 'special show'.I have yet to see one with a lower grading (such as AAA).The LFS that brought in some 20 to 30 pieces of TVs and SVs all carried a certificate,in other words 20 to 30 show class fishes were brought in at one go.

It just doesn't make sense.If a reputable farm or a reputable breeder produces a cert to signify that the fish is from his farm or from him as a breeder,it is understandable.I have no problems with that.But if a somewhat unknown farm or unknown breeder produces a cert saying that his fish is show class,then it is a different thing altogether.To put it bluntly,marketing gimmick.

I have seen many of these certs and dare say that I can produce better ones.The photo were badly taken,it was probably printed with a home PC on a piece of A4 and then laminated.The whole stack of certificate I had seen all bore the date 31 Nov 2004.WTF,a 31st in the month of November!!So much can be said of the professionalism.

And I have seen buyers felt very happy with their purchase simply because it carries a cert.And potential buyers viewing fishes asking the LFS whether that particular fish carries a cert.

Haiz,haven't we got enough of our own paper chase?What a load of crap!!

[CyberET]

if one needs a cert.. i doubt he/her will be able to notice the subtle difference..
in the end, i don't think it'll deter.. it'll only help in increasing sales figures.

[ranchu8]

if one needs a cert.. i doubt he/her will be able to notice the subtle difference..
in the end, i don't think it'll deter.. it'll only help in increasing sales figures.

i think the issue is not whether an inexperienced buyer is able to tell the difference, in fact at times it may be difficult for an experienced buyer to tell the difference if the Ranchu has not "finished" developing, esp when they are not too old ... the issue is whether they have been cheated/ they got what they bargained for, was represented to them ... if they paid good money for Japanese bred/certain bloodline, they would expect certain traits to develop or hold eg certain traits of a Japanese tvr/certain bloodlines looking better when they are oyas ... not always the case but more likely/hopefully so (pls note that my posts are not intended to promote Japanese tvrs as opposed to Thai tvrs. i recognise that good Thai tvrs can be better than many Japanese tvrs and for the reputable Thai bloodlines, i would also like to see certs for them)

funny that you would surmise that certs would not deter ... is it not more likely for a cheat to bluff verbally, than if he produces fraudulent documentary certs?? the cheat may say "the buyer only said i said that what, but i did not say that"

i also don't think that increased sales is the issue ... why not, if the buyer is more likely getting what he is paying for? in fact, LFSs should be getting their breeders to issue certs if this would enhance their sales? but they would then need to get the real thing first

This post has been edited by ranchu8: Sat, 14 May 2005 2:59 am