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KokiBali
post Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:36 pm
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Hi Bros and Sis,

My brother purchased these baby tosakin couples weeks ago, it starts changing colour now. Size about 3-4 cm (mouth to tail). All comments are welcome. Any advise in rearing them will be appreciated.

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William.

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post Wed, 22 Mar 2006 2:09 am
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Please excuse me for spoiling the fun a little. I think the quality of these Tosakin is not so good. As with Ranchu, the tail is very important for Tosakin. All these Tosakin have a bad tail.

Please look very carefully at the drawing that I post with this message.

One of the important points is that the rear part of the tail should be wider than the part in the middle (the part before the tail starts to curl). All Tosakin have the middle part wider than the rear part.

Also look at the sideview drawing. The line of the tail should be horizontal. All Tosakin on the photos have the line of the tail that is higher. This is why they swim with their head down.

Heads should be longer and much more pointed. Bellies should be rounder. The body shape should be a triangle.

I hope I do not disappoint you too much. I know there is almost no information available about Tosakin outside Japan. This is why it is not easy to keep and breed them. It is necessary to keep the Tosai in bowls without aeration. Do not feed them bloodworm.

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QUOTE(yamato38gunkei @ Wed, 22 Mar 2006 1:09 am)
Please excuse me for spoiling the fun a little.  I think the quality of these Tosakin is not so good.  As with Ranchu, the tail is very important for Tosakin.  All these Tosakin have a bad tail. 

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Geert Coppens
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Hi, Geert. Thanks a lot for your comment, it is really enlighten me. Unfortunately, I can not open the PDF file (got scrambled text). Could you please send it by e-mail to williamd@hotpop.com?

Regarding the bowl, how big (diameter and height) is ideal for keeping 6 tosai tosakins? I heard that the water level should be 25 cm max. How about the water ratio, is it same as ranchu (80 ltr/fish)?

Regarding the feeding, why bloodworm is not recommended? Is it because live or frozen food is not safe? Is there any special food for tosakin or Hikari Lionhead is good enough?

Appreciate your advise.

Thanks,
William.
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post Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:57 am
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QUOTE(KokiBali @ Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:46 am)
Unfortunately, I can not open the PDF file (got scrambled text).?
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Same with me too. Also cannot open attached images & only got scrambled text rusure.gif
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KokiBali   Tosakin For Comment   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:36 pm
KokiBali   These last 2 fish are of different bloodline of th...   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:39 pm
CP   I am no expert, but I think that these are good qu...   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 1:28 pm
top_view_ranchu   Agree with CP. Looks good to me thou! :good_ve...   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 2:20 pm
KokiBali   Dear CP and David, Thanks for your comment. ...   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 3:19 pm
yamato38gunkei   Hello William, Bloodworm and Hikari Lionhead ar...   Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:52 am
ranchu8   wah, nice tosakin ... rarely see this quality of y...   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 8:30 pm
chochiss   Nice fishes. I like fish #4 the most. Believe it w...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:53 am
KokiBali   Hi, Chociss. I hope so. Thanks for your complime...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 9:08 am
chochiss   My pleasure. You should have view Geert's tr...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 2:41 pm
KokiBali   Yup, very beautiful tosakins :good You know wh...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 3:53 pm
ranchu8   ps I also like tosakin #3 - tail has a good length...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 1:13 am
yamato38gunkei   Please excuse me for spoiling the fun a little. I...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 2:09 am
KokiBali   Hi, Geert. Thanks a lot for your comment, it is ...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:46 am
d_golem   Same with me too. Also cannot open attached image...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:57 am
KokiBali   Geert, no need to send it. Finally I can open it...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:29 am
yamato38gunkei   Hello William, Here are some photos of the typi...   Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:57 am
KokiBali   Thanks for your compliment. Wah, you have sha...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 9:04 am
desireless   You need to have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed ...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 7:28 pm
d_golem   Already got Adobe Acrobat Professional. I only go...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:43 pm
ranchu8   Hi Desireless, i too have the same problem. Is i...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:02 pm
ranchu8   After checking with an IT guy, the reason is simp...   Fri, 24 Mar 2006 6:46 pm
d_golem   LOL spot on :P One more thing's bugging me ...   Fri, 24 Mar 2006 8:32 pm
yamato38gunkei   One more photo Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:58 am
KokiBali   Thanks for your help, Desireless. I am usi...   Thu, 23 Mar 2006 9:10 am
d_golem   Hmm only in RG got problems, everywhere else is fi...   Thu, 23 Mar 2006 9:35 am
KokiBali   Tosa Queen? I don't think I can find it here...   Thu, 23 Mar 2006 9:40 am
yamato38gunkei   Another detail of one of the Tosakin Bowls of Mr. ...   Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:40 pm
KokiBali   Thanks, Geert. I tried to find info on Tosa Q...   Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:20 am
yamato38gunkei   Hello William, There is a Hikari food you can use...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 3:06 pm
KokiBali   Thank you so much, Geert. I think I can find Hik...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 6:11 pm
desireless   OK... let's not disturb Geert from his breedin...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 6:33 pm
Sabine   To improve on the translation ;) : it doesn...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:47 pm
Ranchu Lover   What will happen if Tosakin are given ranchu pelle...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 4:38 pm
Guenther   I'm not an expert in Tosakin, only bred shub...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 5:06 pm
KokiBali   Thanks a lot, really appreciate it. :good   Wed, 29 Mar 2006 8:37 am


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