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KokiBali
post Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:36 pm
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Hi Bros and Sis,

My brother purchased these baby tosakin couples weeks ago, it starts changing colour now. Size about 3-4 cm (mouth to tail). All comments are welcome. Any advise in rearing them will be appreciated.

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William.

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post Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:40 pm
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Another detail of one of the Tosakin Bowls of Mr. Ogawa.

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Geert Coppens

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post Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:20 am
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QUOTE(yamato38gunkei @ Fri, 24 Mar 2006 10:40 pm)
Another detail of one of the Tosakin Bowls of Mr. Ogawa.

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Geert Coppens


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Thanks, Geert.

I tried to find info on Tosa Queen on the net, the protein content is 46% only (compare to JRL 52.1%). I don't know the ingredients, since it is in German (as below). Hikari doesn't have this kind of food, I guess. Is it sinking pellet or floating pellet?

I noticed that the fish in your photo (the upper right one) has a split tail, is it a culled tosakin?

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William.

Hi, alle!

Ich war bis vor zwei Wochen in Japan, hab' diesmal relativ wenig Zeit dort gehabt, dennoch wollte ich unbedingt eins machen: Futter anschauen.

In Japan gibt es nämlich Goldfischfutter nur für bestimmte Rassen.
Bei der rassenspezifischen Dosis geht es in erster Linie um die Frage, ob bei den Fischen das Geschwulst auf dem Kopf gut wachsen soll oder nicht + ob die Fische kräftig zunehmen sollen oder nicht.

Dann werden solche rassenspezifischen Futter je nach Alter der Goldfische verpackt. Ob die Substanzen anders sind, kannich nicht sagen, da ich nicht so genau darauf geachtet habe.

Als Probe habe ich drei Sorten mitgebracht. Der Gehalt sieht so aus:

(1) Roheiweiß (2) Rohfett (3) Rohfaser (4) Rohasche (5) sonstige
(6) Besonderheit, die der Hersteller hervorhebt
(7) Ingredienzen

A) Futtername "Ranchu Kizoku" , Produktname in Nordamerika "Japan Ranchu Lord":
Dies ist ein unter "normalen" Ranchuhaltern ziemlich beliebtes Futter für Ranchu im ersten Jahrgang.
(1) 52,1% (2) 7,9% (3) 3,8% (4) 14,5% (5) Ca 2,9%, P 1,8%
(6) Ausschluß von Weizenmehl [als Bindemittel] zur Vermeidung von Vedauungsstörungen / EPA u. DHA zugesetzt.
(7) Fischmehl, Okiami (kleine Fische), Tintenfische, Sojabohnen, Algen, Vitaminen, Hefe, Mineralien. Aminosäure enthalten. [Geschmacksverstärker??? shochi]

B) Futtername "Tosa Hime", Produktname in Nordamerika "Tosa Queen":
Dies ist für Tosakin und Ryukin (=bsd. die, die besonders dicken Bauch kriegen sollen).

(1) 46,0% (2) 5,6% (3) 5,0% (4) 12,6% (5) Ca.2.5% P 1,7%
(6) u. (7) siehe oben A); A) und B) werden von einer Tosakin-Farm in Kochi (der Ort, wo Tosakin her kommt) hergestellt.

C) Futtername "Hanaemi" für Osaka-Ranchu, Tosakin, Izumo-Nankin, Jikin, Ryukin (das sind alle runden Sorten ohne WEN)

(1) 30,0% (2) 5,5% (3) 20,0% (4) 7,0% (5) Feuchtigkeit 5,0%
(6) Dieses Futter ist bsd. geeignet dafür, die Fische am Bauch "runder" zu machen, ohne daß der WEN wächst. Besonders gut verdaulich.
(7) Fischmehl, Geflügelmehl (von Hähnchen), Alpha-Kartoffelmehl, Chitin & Chitosan (aus Krebsen/Garnelen), Chitosan-Origosäure, Vitaminen.

Das Futter wurde von einer Osakaranchu-Farm hergestellt, insb. als Konkurrenz zu (A).
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OK... let's not disturb Geert from his breeding routine... for a small thing like translation. biggrin.gif

This is what's being translated from yahoo online translation service and some help from Günther and Sabine.

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I bring along three sorts of samples. The content looks in such a way:

(1) raw protein
(2) raw fat
(3) raw fiber
(4) raw ash
(5) other
(6) characteristic, those the manufacturer emphasizes
(7) Ingredients

A) Food name "Ranchu Kizoku", product name in North America "Japan Ranchu lord":
This is a food for Ranchu, a rather popular for "normal" owner for ranchus, in the first class.
(1) 52.1%
(2) 7.9%
(3) 3.8%
(4) 14.5%
(5) approx. 2.9%, P 1.8%
(6) It doesn't contain any wheat flour in order to avoid digestive problems. /EPA and DHA.
(7) fish flour, Okiami (small fish), squid, soy beans, algae, vitaminen, yeast, minerals. Amino acid contain. [ taste amplifiers??? shochi ]

B) Food name "Tosa Hime", product name in North America "Tosa Queen":
This is for Tosakin and Ryukin (= bsd. those, which particularly thick belly wars are).
(1) 46.0%
(2) 5.6%
(3) 5.0%
(4) 12.6%
(5) Ca.2.5% P 1.7%
(6) u.
(7) see above A);
A) and B) are manufactured by a Tosakin farm in Kochi (the place, where Tosakin comes from).

C) Food name "Hanaemi" for Osaka Ranchu, Tosakin, Izumo Nankin, Jikin, Ryukin (that are all round sorts without wens)
(1) 30.0%
(2) 5.5%
(3) 20.0%
(4) 7.0%
(5) humidity 5.0%
(6) this food is suitable for bsd. making the fish at the belly "rounder" without the wens grows. Particularly well digestible.
(7) fish flour, poultry flour (of cockerels), alpha potato flour, chitin & Chitosan (from cancer/shrimps), Chitosan Origosaeure, vitaminen. The food became from a Osakaranchu Farm?hergestellt, esp. as competition too (A).

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Still a bit raw but I believe you can get the rough idea. ;)

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KokiBali   Tosakin For Comment   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:36 pm
KokiBali   These last 2 fish are of different bloodline of th...   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:39 pm
CP   I am no expert, but I think that these are good qu...   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 1:28 pm
top_view_ranchu   Agree with CP. Looks good to me thou! :good_ve...   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 2:20 pm
KokiBali   Dear CP and David, Thanks for your comment. ...   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 3:19 pm
yamato38gunkei   Hello William, Bloodworm and Hikari Lionhead ar...   Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:52 am
ranchu8   wah, nice tosakin ... rarely see this quality of y...   Tue, 21 Mar 2006 8:30 pm
chochiss   Nice fishes. I like fish #4 the most. Believe it w...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:53 am
KokiBali   Hi, Chociss. I hope so. Thanks for your complime...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 9:08 am
chochiss   My pleasure. You should have view Geert's tr...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 2:41 pm
KokiBali   Yup, very beautiful tosakins :good You know wh...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 3:53 pm
ranchu8   ps I also like tosakin #3 - tail has a good length...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 1:13 am
yamato38gunkei   Please excuse me for spoiling the fun a little. I...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 2:09 am
KokiBali   Hi, Geert. Thanks a lot for your comment, it is ...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:46 am
d_golem   Same with me too. Also cannot open attached image...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:57 am
KokiBali   Geert, no need to send it. Finally I can open it...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:29 am
yamato38gunkei   Hello William, Here are some photos of the typi...   Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:57 am
KokiBali   Thanks for your compliment. Wah, you have sha...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 9:04 am
desireless   You need to have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed ...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 7:28 pm
d_golem   Already got Adobe Acrobat Professional. I only go...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:43 pm
ranchu8   Hi Desireless, i too have the same problem. Is i...   Wed, 22 Mar 2006 11:02 pm
ranchu8   After checking with an IT guy, the reason is simp...   Fri, 24 Mar 2006 6:46 pm
d_golem   LOL spot on :P One more thing's bugging me ...   Fri, 24 Mar 2006 8:32 pm
yamato38gunkei   One more photo Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:58 am
KokiBali   Thanks for your help, Desireless. I am usi...   Thu, 23 Mar 2006 9:10 am
d_golem   Hmm only in RG got problems, everywhere else is fi...   Thu, 23 Mar 2006 9:35 am
KokiBali   Tosa Queen? I don't think I can find it here...   Thu, 23 Mar 2006 9:40 am
yamato38gunkei   Another detail of one of the Tosakin Bowls of Mr. ...   Fri, 24 Mar 2006 11:40 pm
KokiBali   Thanks, Geert. I tried to find info on Tosa Q...   Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:20 am
yamato38gunkei   Hello William, There is a Hikari food you can use...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 3:06 pm
KokiBali   Thank you so much, Geert. I think I can find Hik...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 6:11 pm
desireless   OK... let's not disturb Geert from his breedin...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 6:33 pm
Sabine   To improve on the translation ;) : it doesn...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:47 pm
Ranchu Lover   What will happen if Tosakin are given ranchu pelle...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 4:38 pm
Guenther   I'm not an expert in Tosakin, only bred shub...   Tue, 28 Mar 2006 5:06 pm
KokiBali   Thanks a lot, really appreciate it. :good   Wed, 29 Mar 2006 8:37 am


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