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Dear veterans,

Originally I had pebbles & plants in my tank for visual appeasement (see attached picture). However, after two months, I found that the pebbles retained a lot of poop and debris. I also discovered baby snails developing (which could be a good / bad sign, depending on the person).

I made 20% water changes per week, but noted some of my ranchus developing red sores on the bodies and blood veins in their fins recently (Water temp was 26C. The tank was running a week before any fish were added) Therefore, I assumed the water quality was inferior. I decided to revamp the tank and it is now a bare tank. The pebbles and plants made the tank look nice, but it created water issues.

Have many of you experienced this?
For goldfish/ranchus - is the best suggestion to have a bare tank?

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post Mon, 13 Nov 2006 4:21 pm
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bare tank remove all these problems. but 20% water change is way too little. How abt checking yr water parameters ? yr nitrates should be sky high.

pebbles is okay for visual purpose but maintaining it will be a headache. U got to do gravel cleaning (suction) during weekly water change. Can go to your local fish shop to look for those meant for such purpose. Or u can custom make one with those 500ml plastic soft drink bottle. Got $$$ can buy those electric powered gravel cleaner.

snails usually from the plants u put into the tank. In future, try to keep the plants in another small tank for a month or so before placing into the main tank. Once u detect snails or other pests, u can still clean the plants and kill the snails or pests relatively easy. Right now, u got to dose the tanks with anti-snail copper solution which might destroy the entire tank system.

As long as u can control the pest problem, having a gravel and decorated tank will beautify the fish greatly.
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QUOTE(The Matrix @ Mon, 13 Nov 2006 4:21 pm) *

bare tank remove all these problems. but 20% water change is way too little. How abt checking yr water parameters ? yr nitrates should be sky high.

pebbles is okay for visual purpose but maintaining it will be a headache. U got to do gravel cleaning (suction) during weekly water change. Can go to your local fish shop to look for those meant for such purpose. Or u can custom make one with those 500ml plastic soft drink bottle. Got $$$ can buy those electric powered gravel cleaner.

snails usually from the plants u put into the tank. In future, try to keep the plants in another small tank for a month or so before placing into the main tank. Once u detect snails or other pests, u can still clean the plants and kill the snails or pests relatively easy. Right now, u got to dose the tanks with anti-snail copper solution which might destroy the entire tank system.

As long as u can control the pest problem, having a gravel and decorated tank will beautify the fish greatly.


Thanks for the advice. I did check the water weekly and the indicator didn't say off the charts with the nitrate. Anywars, with the bare tank now, let's hope this problem is easier handled.

I was informed that gravel cleaning may release pockets of toxic water so it would be best to remove the water from the top. Please let me know if I am misinformed as I would like to place the gravel back in! btw - I feed my ranchus sinking pellets (saki hikari). The key problem was that these pellets would get caught in places where the ranchus cannot reach, and since these pellets are small, I couldn't always find them. As result I think this contributed to the water being more contaminated.

(My ranchus love the saki hikari. I have noted the pooped is more impact.)

Thanks for the wisdom on the plants. Even though the ranchus like to nibble on the leaves, I think I'll stay away from plants because rotten leaves contribute to the contanimation of water. I did try the anti-snail solution but think that hastened the water problem (even though I changed a 30% of the water after each application).

The tank is bare now, but with the experience, I may reconsider using gravel again. It really makes the bank aesthetically better!
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MCheuk   Mcheuk's Tank And Filtration Setup   Mon, 13 Nov 2006 2:27 pm
The Matrix   bare tank remove all these problems. but 20% water...   Mon, 13 Nov 2006 4:21 pm
MCheuk   bare tank remove all these problems. but 20% wate...   Tue, 14 Nov 2006 9:50 am
CP   Pretty nice setup you have there, and pretty nice ...   Mon, 13 Nov 2006 6:15 pm
MCheuk   Pretty nice setup you have there, and pretty nice...   Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:06 am
The Matrix   hope yr experience will bring more knowledge to RG...   Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:14 am
CP   Here is another discussion on gravel tank, belongi...   Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:45 pm
chochiss   dear mcheuk, any update for to share with us? Tu...   Fri, 17 Nov 2006 9:26 pm
The Matrix   dear mcheuk, any update for to share with us? T...   Mon, 20 Nov 2006 3:33 am
MCheuk   Wow, you guys are professionals. I honestly don...   Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:13 pm
The Matrix   Wow, you guys are professionals. I honestly don...   Mon, 20 Nov 2006 11:19 pm
MCheuk   Just checked - my ranchus are from Dong zhou. The...   Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:58 am
chochiss   Tung Hoi?? You must check out their Ryukins......   Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:53 am
jeff123   Really a nice setup MCHEOK. But am a boring and no...   Sun, 17 Dec 2006 2:12 am
MCheuk   Jeff123, Here is the picture of my plain tank now...   Wed, 20 Dec 2006 7:00 pm
MCheuk   I didn't know where else to put these pictures...   Wed, 20 Dec 2006 7:13 pm
MCheuk   I am doing all my updates over the past two mos be...   Wed, 20 Dec 2006 7:31 pm
goldrush   Dear MCheuk From your detailed case history,I bel...   Wed, 20 Dec 2006 9:06 pm
MCheuk   Goldrush Should I assume that my entire stock is...   Wed, 20 Dec 2006 9:52 pm
goldrush   Assume full contamination and do the necessary tre...   Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:22 pm
MCheuk   Doc goldrush Unfortunately, my stock did not make...   Thu, 18 Jan 2007 4:00 pm
gohks   Doc goldrush Unfortunately, my stock did not mak...   Thu, 18 Jan 2007 5:06 pm
MCheuk   Is better you understand the cause of the problem...   Fri, 19 Jan 2007 12:47 pm
goldrush   Dear Mcheuk I'm sorry to hear that.New stocks...   Thu, 18 Jan 2007 7:32 pm
mickey85   Simple - you put numerous big fish in the tank at ...   Thu, 18 Jan 2007 7:40 pm
chochiss   Dear Mcheuk, I've read this thread from the s...   Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:34 am
kenjione   This is picture of my oranda set-up. http://www.r...   Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:12 am


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