My Setup - Sushiman, Low and Broad Multi-levels Glass Tanks Options

[sushiman]

Halo all bros here,me newbie to goldfish.Kindly gv ur comments pls.
Good or bad r welcome.

[Absolute Ranchu]

What do you mean that there are more bacterias and harmful elements in a green water environment than a regular Japanese system? Could you share with us about the japanese system?

What good bacteria do you have to add to the green water?

I do not have a pond and thus could not comment on the work required. In an indoor 3ft tub green watersetup, weekly cleaning of the tub is beneficial generally. Weekly water change is also good in general. But that is about the amount of work required. How much work do you mean when you said you have to do a lot of work?

For pond, you may like to take a look at this website
GreenNGold SG
They seem to have quite a number of ponds, and they are just hobbyists! 

In Japanese system, new water will continue to be ciphoning in on the around the clock basis. Most of the fish will be raised in systems that new water will be added at interval through out the day, no additive, just clean, clear and cold water. (Most of the serious farm in Japan will be located next to great natural spring water since pipe water in Japan is more expensive than beer.) Most of the professional keepers find that using green water posed enough risk that they do not want to use with their championship fish. It is easier to put in the work and keep the fish in clear water. Championship fish is not only extremely expensive, but they are more about pride than anything else. They are rare and they are like jewels for serious fish keepers in Japan. Once the fish is at the adult stage, then you can move the fish back to green water condition since they will be full grown and their immune system will be at their peak. A short period in green water condition will improve the fish scales and color condition a great deal.

You have to add good bacterial in closed systems. These bacteria are the same kind used in most koi pond. There are good and bad bacteria in the green water system (naturally). If you do not put in good bacterial, your system could become a biogical experiment that is harmful to your fish. What kind of germs that will effect fish in green water system, they are usually the most common one in your neighbourhood.

The good bacteria will help to reduce the amount of algae and keep the water clean and clear, and get rid of bad germs that cause conditions like tail and fin rotts. The bacteria will also help to get rid of the bad elements in the water (from fish, wastes, protein secreted, or ammonia wastes). In Thailand, there are many brands and different application forms from different country products available. There are pills from Japan and USA and Europe and many more. There are also already mixed liquid germs available in the market, as well. They are made in Thailand, though. I am currently using the Microzyme BioPond-Clears Water in Pond (Micro Enzyme with Biogical Bacteria) made by White Crane Aqua Product in Thailand. It comes an easy to use pellet. One pellet per one ton of water. You can break it up and use it in aqua tanks, as well.

I asked an Aqua Scientist at the University of Agriculture of Thailand (next to the airport in BKK) and he said that you should use the bacteria that are cultured locally, which means that the domestic brands are usually the best. You can try them and report back how it is. Koi keepers are usually the best green water keepers around. If you know some around town, it is really helpful to sit down with them and try to pick their brains. They have a lot of experience with really large system, and we just have to miniaturize the system to fit our needs.

Green system means that you utilize "old water"(water in closed system that has been cleaned over and over with usually biological filtration system, the water will contain a lot of algae, vitamins, and minerals that are excellent for fish growth). This is an excellent way of promoting the best growth out of your fish (same for koi and goldfish alike). It usually requires a large endowment of resources at the beginning but in the long term it is the best system to keep fish (required professional pond constructor, the size of the filtration system, and the amount of water in the pond is most crucial and must be right or else it will never work).

The fish raised in this sort of system also requires the least amount of maintainance chores. You have to clean the top water regularly and cleaned the filtration system from time to time. This is possible with the help of bacteria. Using old water doesn't mean that you do not add water, on the contrary, you have to keep adding new water everyday. This is the best way to simulate the changes of temperature in real natural habitat. When you add new water to system the fish will automatically gain additional appetite which will add to the growth rate.

This is my comments, and I hope that it is helpful.

When I talk about a lot of work, I mean that I fuss around the fish quite a lot around the clock (daytime). I first wake up at 6 clear the top of the water on the pond and tanks. I ciphon all the visible waste manually then add new water so that the pond and tank overflow. I feed the first time at 6.30 am, then I wait a while and take care of the waste and clean the top water some more. (If I do not do it, I have staffs to it on my behalf. That makes it much easier.) Then I leave them alone until 3 hours later, and I do it all over again. We feed the fish four times a day, and we do the chores five times a day(one more before closing the pond and tank for the night). That's what I mean by a lot of work.

I also watch the fish before I feed each meal, while they feed and after they feed to see their reactions and how they are. You can tell a lot how a fish is by just looking at them. YOu can tell when they have enough food and when to stop. You have to notice the bulge of their stomach carefully, by looking at the fish every day then you will be able to tell. this may sounds funny to some people. Some people(including my wife) think that I am a slave to my fish. But I just can't stop myself, what can I say. I like doing it. The reason is that I have been able to breed and grow really nice fish because of it. This is what I mean by doing by experience, not from a book.

I love to help and I like to share my experiece. This is not because I want to be a big shot or something, but because it will be better for the fish. If you like your fish, try what I recommend. If you find that it does not work for you, I would love to hear about it, so may be I can improve my techniques. It is all about sharing, right. The best things for our fish.

I bid you peace on this auspicious day of the Thai New Year. Happy New Year to all Members and may your year be filled with prosperity for you, your families, and your fish.

Sawasdee krap

Pat

This post has been edited by Absolute Ranchu: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 3:48 pm