My New Calico Orandas (what Is Gh) Options

[LASERGUY]

Welcome, Hamad ! You have finally found your way here.

[Hamad]

Thank you so much Laserguy, I missed you guys a lot! I've been away and didn't have internet for some time and when I came back I was shocked that everybody's gone from the AF forum until I checked my pm and found the link to this new GORGEOUS place! I'm so happy that there's finally a high quality site for goldfish lovers!

[kingyoo]

Hi happybuddah!

I like the first oranda. It has nice wen and a cute "puppy face". Don't let the longer body fool you. Oranda's are larger goldfish breed and when this guys gets to be 2 years old. Wow! It will fill out nicely.

Here is a pic of what a Westerner would consisder a very nice show quality oranda.
(Not my fish)

[HappyBuddha]

Wow, to me these fish look absolutely stunning. I'm a huge fan of orandas with huge wen and I think they're pretty rare to find...What adds more beauty to these is the color, I normally don't like calicos but I love calicos that have a lot of bright red, light shades and not too much black.

I don't see a problem with the first one's body, I think longer body is better for orandas with massive heads like this because short bodied ones can't carry the head so well and usually end up facing down a lot.

HappyBuddha, could you please add pictures of them after they adjusted to their new environement? I would like to see pics of them swimming.

Thanks!

I'm not a big fan of calico too unless there's little black (it's no wonder I like the sakura variety though.) They still have some black markings and [evil grin] I've been wondering if keeping them in a lower pH water will "help" them lose the black colours like a black ranchu would. Hahaha.

In my earlier posting, I mentioned both of them tend to swim with the head tilted downwards somewhat. It turns out my suspicion was correct; the low water depth of the tub was the cause. I now keep them in 12 inches of water and they seem to be able to swim level.

I'm getting more and more fascinated by Orandas. These two are crazy goldfish. They are constantly looking out for food. Any speck of foreign object in the tank would end up in their mouth. They are constantly exploring the tank and nibbing everything in sight including my finger.

I'll update their pics soon.

Welcome aboard!

[HappyBuddha]

Hi happybuddah!

I like the first oranda.  It has nice wen and a cute "puppy face".  Don't let the longer body fool you.  Oranda's are larger goldfish breed and when this guys gets to be 2 years old.  Wow!  It will fill out nicely.

Here is a pic of what a Westerner would consisder a very nice show quality oranda.
(Not my fish)
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In Singapore, the most common type of oranda is red and white ones from Malaysia. Each is about 1 1/2 to 2 inches in body length and costs just $2-$3 (US$1.17 - US$1.76).



Being the most common, many (myself included) have the impression that Oranda should have a short body. An interesting observation I made is I seldom if ever see large adult size "short-bodied" orandas at LFS! I guess this pretty much confirms that short-body orandas just can't make it past childhood?

Thanks for the pic. That's a oranda with a nice and unique color combination. I especially like the tails, which hangs down so gracefully.

[HappyBuddha]

On closer examination of the pic, I notice the split as highlighted below.

One of my oranda also has the same split on its tails. I have not observe such a split on ranchus and Ryukins.

Are they common on Orandas and will the split heal?

[kingyoo]

Good eyesight! I didn't notice the split, which would be points off this fish in a show.

I think the split will heal IF it was a split from injury. If the split is a grow out, then no.



As for short body... I think that goldfish looks evolve over the years to what the collectors desire.

Here is a link to the BAS site with Oranda standard. The line drawing shows the standard, very round body, yet the photos show a little bit longer body. Beautiful fins though.

BAS Oranda Standard

[mountain]

HB, i got 2 oranda, have splits also. You are never Alone.

not able to post pic, my P4 cpu got fried. will try to asap.

[Hamad]

I currently have an oranda with a very short body and large wen [lionhead] that's around 4.5", in fact it's the only fish I currently have...it's only flaw is the tail which isn't very well balanced although it's hard to notice till u observe well from different dimensions. It actually looks extremely close to the last picture HappyBuddha posted but with more white and not so deep red [but deep enough].

Unfortunately due to my moving this past week the fish now suffers from gill disease and I'm trying to cure it with salt. I hope it'll make it cause just like HappyBuddha said, it's rare to find such shape with Orandas over 3".

I'm hoping with good care it can increase in size, it did become fuller in shape since I first got it a couple of weeks back.

[HappyBuddha]

HB, i got 2 oranda, have splits also. You are never Alone.

not able to post pic, my P4 cpu got fried. will try to asap.

I didn't know you have orandas; never posted their pics in your gallery eh? The split is due to injuries or grown like dat? I'm begining to suspect my oranda grew it.

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[HappyBuddha]

I currently have an oranda with a very short body and large wen [lionhead] that's around 4.5", in fact it's the only fish I currently have...it's only flaw is the tail which isn't very well balanced although it's hard to notice till u observe well from different dimensions. It actually looks extremely close to the last picture HappyBuddha posted but with more white and not so deep red [but deep enough]. 
 
Unfortunately due to my moving this past week the fish now suffers from gill disease and I'm trying to cure it with salt. I hope it'll make it cause just like HappyBuddha said, it's rare to find such shape with Orandas over 3". 
 
I'm hoping with good care it can increase in size, it did become fuller in shape since I first got it a couple of weeks back.

They say the intense red on those Malaysian orandas is a result of feeding them with colour enhancing hormones, which will kill the fish very quickly. That should explain why I never had any real success in keeping them for long.

Do show us pics of your oranda if you have a digital camera.

[LASERGUY]

I'm not a big fan of calico too unless there's little black (it's no wonder I like the sakura variety though.)  They still have some black markings and [evil grin] I've been wondering if keeping them in a lower pH water will "help" them lose the black colours like a black ranchu would.  Hahaha.

In my earlier posting, I mentioned both of them tend to swim with the head tilted downwards somewhat.  It turns out my suspicion was correct; the low water depth of the tub was the cause.  I now keep them in 12 inches of water and they seem to be able to swim level. 

I'm getting more and more fascinated by Orandas.  These two are crazy goldfish.  They are constantly looking out for food.  Any speck of foreign object in the tank would end up in their mouth.  They are constantly exploring the tank and nibbing everything in sight including my finger. 

I'll update their pics soon.

Welcome aboard! 

Errr... Buddha, lower pH will darken your fishes instead of lighten them.
Was told by a thai breeder that to lower the pH to 6.8 for thai black ranchu to maintain it's chacoal black colouration.

[HappyBuddha]

Errr... Buddha, lower pH will darken your fishes instead of lighten them.
Was told by a thai breeder that to lower the pH to 6.8 for thai black ranchu to maintain it's chacoal black colouration.

You're right. It's the lower pH that keeps the black scales of a ranchu instead of fading to copper.

Off topic: Of course this makes me wonder how to keep the black scales on a Tie Bao Jing (black/gold) golfish intact. Too low a pH the orange fades; too high pH the black fades. It's a catch 22 situation.

[Hamad]

They say the intense red on those Malaysian orandas is a result of feeding them with colour enhancing hormones, which will kill the fish very quickly.  That should explain why I never had any real success in keeping them for long. 
 
Do show us pics of your oranda if you have a digital camera.

Oh so that's why! I actually do find a lot of those 2" orandas around [short bodies, large wens, long fins] but me too never had luck with them. In fact I rarely had luck with small fish in general, was only lucky a couple of times. The one you posted though is stunning, I really hope it will survive and grow!

I don't have a digital camera at the moment, but as soon as I do I'll definitely share!

[LASERGUY]

You're right.  It's the lower pH that keeps the black scales of a ranchu instead of fading to copper.

Off topic:  Of course this makes me wonder how to keep the black scales on a Tie Bao Jing (black/gold) golfish intact.  Too low a pH the orange fades; too high pH the black fades. It's a catch 22 situation. 

Maintain at pH 7.0, may be ?
Black, pH 6.8 ~ 6.9.....
Other, pH 7.2 ~ 7.3 .....
Aiyah, not very sure lah... Let all the gurus out there to confirm....