My 9 Gf, Kindly Comment. Options

[HappyBuddha]

hello,

latest updates are in. pls do comment. ryukins side shots in the main tank just after water change and the top view piece taken in a porcelain bowl. pix of my set up and also nh3 n 4 test and pH reading before water change on sunday 250104.

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthre...threadid=107127

regards,

Oh dear. How long have you kept those Ryukins? Judging only from the size of their large and protruding eyes, they may be stunt (possibly due to long term exposure to high nitrate.)

I love your square tank. Did you DIY the tank yourself? I see you can DIY very nicely - the jumbo size DIY OH filter looks good but do heed ET's advise that BB strives even better in a dark environment.

There's really no bio filter in that green water tank?

The results of the water test is for which tank? They are alarmingly high! But of course if they are the results of that green water, then they aren't accurate since.... the test water wasn't clear but green tinted and distorted the colour. Use JBL's kit instead.

[ttsen]

hmm.. issn't your no2 abit high? in cycling process?
BB works better in total darkness too

the parameters taken before the water change as follows:

ammonia - 1.5mg/l
nitrite - 1.6mg/l
nitrate - 50mg/l

the big tank now hold the bigger ones, the 4 smaller ones are in the toyogo coupled to a sponge. i wanna see whether there are any significant differences.

would there be any? if yes, what should i expect? and if no what should i expect?............can anyone enlighten the small me. thank you very much.

what cycling process?................the empty tub was drained to take the pixs, i used to hold guppies in there. the tests taken are from the main tank. does that explain the red dots that sometimes appear at the belly of the goldfish. in fact, the red dots have seem to disappear.............they used to be affecting the goldfish. but for the past wk, after the water change, i don't see the red dots anymore. water change is still on every sunday...........so what is happening huh?

btw, i thought that being in green water, one should not be trying to cultivate BB? correct me if i'm wrong.

regards,

[ttsen]

Oh dear.  How long have you kept those Ryukins?  Judging only from the size of their large and protruding eyes, they may be stunt (possibly due to long term exposure to high nitrate.)

I love your square tank.  Did you DIY the tank yourself?  I see you can DIY very nicely - the jumbo size DIY OH filter looks good but do heed ET's advise that BB strives even better in a dark environment.

There's really no bio filter in that green water tank?

The results of the water test is for which tank?  They are alarmingly high! But of course if they are the results of that green water, then they aren't accurate since.... the test water wasn't clear but green tinted and distorted the colour.    Use  JBL's kit instead.

morn'g HB,

i've kept the ryukins for not too long. got them from 35A early nov '03.

the square tank was fabricated by one of my colleagues glass contractors who does glass curtain walls. i gave them the dimensions and told them the type of marine industrial silicon to use. the blue foam below is actually roofing polystyrene with a density of 45kg/m2.

the ohf is placed there for the photo shoot only.

my test kits are also pretty 'old' don't know if that affets the results. is jbl kits cheaper or more X than tetra?

regards,

[HappyBuddha]

morn'g HB,

i've kept the ryukins for not too long. got them from 35A early nov '03.

the square tank was fabricated by one of my colleagues glass contractors who does glass curtain walls. i gave them the dimensions and told them the type of marine industrial silicon to use. the blue foam below is actually roofing polystyrene with a density of 45kg/m2.

the ohf is placed there for the photo shoot only.

my test kits are also pretty 'old' don't know if that affets the results. is jbl kits cheaper or more X than tetra?

regards,

You only had the Ryukin for about 2 months? I wonder if two months is enough time to cause them to have stunt them... Maybe they weren't well kept at the LFS or the originating farms.

Whoops. Test kit has a very short shelf-life (1 year max) and onces opened, even shorter (1 month max). This is info I gotten directly from JBL...

Now... if those are results of your green water tank which has NO bio filter, then I'm sure your kits have expired. Afterall, if there's no BB activities, how could you get a positive result for nitrite and nitrate.

JBL do cost more then Tetra's equivalent. The worse part is they are difficult to come by. If you intend to get them (you should), go direct to the distributor for JBL which is Keong Seong. Call ahead if you want; sometimes they themselves don't have the stock in hand. Also, make sure the numbers printed on the reagent matches those on the box carton.

If you use green water, the only test kit that works is those JBL.

[CyberET]

the parameters taken before the water change as follows:

ammonia - 1.5mg/l
nitrite      - 1.6mg/l
nitrate    - 50mg/l

the big tank now hold the bigger ones, the 4 smaller ones are in the toyogo coupled to a sponge. i wanna see whether there are any significant differences.

would there be any? if yes, what should i expect? and if no what should i expect?............can anyone enlighten the small me. thank you very much.

what cycling process?................the empty tub was drained to take the pixs, i used to hold guppies in there. the tests taken are from the main tank. does that explain the red dots that sometimes appear at the belly of the goldfish. in fact, the red dots have seem to disappear.............they used to be affecting the goldfish. but for the past wk, after the water change, i don't see the red dots anymore. water change is still on every sunday...........so what is happening huh?

btw, i thought that being in green water, one should not be trying to cultivate BB? correct me if i'm wrong.

regards,

are the tests taken from the tank with filtration?
if so.. all the parameters r too high.. either increase amount of water per change, or increase frequency of change, or reduce feeding

whats your setup now? all of them.. i'm confused

[ttsen]

hi guys,

my setup - the sq tank is the main tank w/o filtration but with green waterand the larger of the ranchus and ryukins. tub 1 with sponge filter holds the smaller ranchus. tub 2 with the ohf was used for my ex guppies, but now holding 6" feeder tilapias for my aros, bout 20 of them. 2 5x2x20" iofs for my aros.

HB - you mentioned keong seong, the distributor. where may i asked is the location? and what is their tel. number? appreciate the information if you have them. otherwise, i'll make a trip down to c328. anyway i'll got to get TFC tubes too, the lights for my aro tanks died last sat.

i knew ther life span was short but NOT that short till 1 month. rats!, is that how they make money?!

so, if the eyes are 'popping out', is there a way to eliminate that?

CyberET - the tests conduted are water samples taken from the main tank w/o the filter but with green water. can't possibly change water that often right? but i can cut down on the feed. at the moment, it's twice a day. morning, it is pea time, in the evening it is pellet time. perhaps i should cut the quantity of the feed too huh.

[CyberET]

eh? if the main tank is a green water tank.. it shouldn't have such high levels of no2 and no3.., does your pump have any form of sponge or surface for the BB to colonize on other than your tubing?

the green water tank has how many fishes?
tub 1 has how many smaller ranchus with how many sponge filters?

erm, eye popping can be due to high nitrates.. so maintaining good water parameters may help, but not always..

erm.. i think u should feed pellets in the morning instead..
u can maintain quantity of feed, but partial water changes have to be done more frequently..

maybe u could try every wed change 50%?, every sun 90%?

how fast(days) does your green water turns to what it is in the picture after a 90% water change?

what r your lighting hours?

your red dots could be due to high ammonia, which explains y it disappears after a water change as well..

[Allan]

HB - you mentioned keong seong, the distributor. where may i asked is the location? and what is their tel. number? appreciate the information if you have them. otherwise, i'll make a trip down to c328. anyway i'll got to get TFC tubes too, the lights for my aro tanks died last sat.

KEONG SEONG FISH SHOP
Blk.22#01-699,Havelock Road
SGP 160022 Singapore 0316
Tel.: 0065-62571175
Fax: 0065-62729895
email: keongseong@pacific.net.sg

I dug through fred's old email and found the email JBL wrote to him regarding the shelf life of their test kits:-

Dear Sir

so sorry, the Test kit you used has obviously been repacked in a new
carton by someone, but is old and expired.

So I do not want to blame anybody, as this may happen in daily life.
Please be so kind and give me your address, I will send you a new test
kit by express courier.

Please be forewarned, this kit has a shelf live of only one year!
Keeping it in refrigerator (especially reagent 3) may extend the shelf live.

Kind regards
JBL
Dr. Rainer Keppler

I don't think they intended the shelf life to be so short but it's just how some chemicals are. The moral of the story is never buy test kit in bulk or "family size" unless you can finish them up quickly. Also, never buy them from unpopular LFS where they carry slow moving old stock.

Cheers.

[ttsen]

eh? if the main tank is a green water tank.. it shouldn't have such high levels of no2 and no3.., does your pump have any form of sponge or surface for the BB to colonize on other than your tubing?

the green water tank has how many fishes?
tub 1 has how many smaller ranchus with how many sponge filters?

erm, eye popping can be due to high nitrates.. so maintaining good water parameters may help, but not always..

erm.. i think u should feed pellets in the morning instead..
u can maintain quantity of feed, but partial water changes have to be done more frequently..

maybe u could try every wed change 50%?, every sun 90%?

how fast(days) does your green water turns to what it is in the picture after a 90% water change?

what r your lighting hours?

your red dots could be due to high ammonia, which explains y it disappears after a water change as well..

cyberET - the main tank houses 5 goldfish, 2 ryukins, 1 pc 4" ranchu & 2 pcs 3" ranchu. the 2260 ehiem pump does not have any sponge at the inlet. i took that out.

tub 1 has 4 pcs 2.5" ranchus with 1 small size sponge filter.

normally i change 100% on sundays seeding back 3-6 litres so that is about 3-6% of my 90 litres tank which is 600x600x300 actually, but filled to 10"(250mm).

water changes pretty fast from clear tap water to green water. the 2nd day is already tinted green, the 3rd day is green already(fish is a blur viewed from the top). the 4th day you can't see the pump fro the side already which is 2" away from the glass tank side. 5th day, fish cannot be seen from the top, side is possible only if they swim by the glass. 6th day, very dark green already. 7th day, needless to say..........even if they swim by the glass, it is a blurr.

lighting hours are hooked onto an industrial timer set from 7am to 8pm. PL tubes - 1 is 6500K and the other is 12000K. initially, i turn them both on for 2 days, after which i turn off the 12K PL. but after reading about the pros and cons in here, i've left the both on.

so far for the red dots, i've not seen them this wk yet after separating them. but their colors are sorta fading.

regards,

[CyberET]

any intention to reduce stocking, its over stocked...
i think u can try changing 30-50% on 4th day (subjective on the green)
feed the pellets in the morning instead

u could consider getting the guppy brand sponge filter for your tub 1, so that on alternate weeks u can wash 1 of the sponge filter as well

[ttsen]

any more tanks in my corridor, and i'll be canned man..............already have 3 in the balcony. yes, the sponge filter in tub 1 is a guppy. changing water bi-weekly should not be too much of a problem. but 'she' will nag me up the wall across the ceiling and down the other side.............'U changing water again huh?', blah blah blah.

btw, the 4 smaller ranchus in tub 1 are getting pretty lathergic, eating patterns have slowed down. i put my finger in the water and the water was 'cold'.........can that be the reason. coz i know that during cold times, fish tend not to eat much. are they starting to hibernate?

however, the main green water tank, the fish are very active. hand in the water test again, the water was warm.

my conclusion, pls correct me if i'm wrong, coz of the rain bar in the main tank, outside air is being forced into the water - so the water is warm. and tub 1 is only a sponge filter with no outside air being forced into the water so it takes on ambient temperature thus making it cold - correct?

[CyberET]

nope... the pump which u uses to operate the rainbar heats the water up

i guess u better feed lesser in that case..

[ttsen]

oic...............i'm already feeding them (in the main tank) one a day and very little. add to that it is alternate day feed, pelltets in the morning and peas in the evening.