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post Sun, 04 Jul 2004 10:03 am
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QUOTE(nobnoba @ Sun 04 Jul 2004 01:36 AM)
hmmm,
i tried to use filter + green water before, but it doesnt work. The next scheduled water change, the green water wont develop. how did you do it?

I presume its the sunlight & ceramics.
Infect I do a 100 % change everytime. But do not wash ceramic too thoroughtly. green water start coming back the 2nd day. If I seed water, the next change will be pretty soon.
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QUOTE(top_view_ranchu @ Sun 04 Jul 2004 10:03 AM)
I presume its the sunlight & ceramics.
Infect I do a 100 % change everytime. But do not wash ceramic too thoroughtly. green water start coming back the 2nd day. If I seed water, the next change will be pretty soon.

did you check your pH?

green water and normal biofiltration don't usually go hand-in-hand. It is likely that the biofiltration in the filter is non-existent. Or you could simply be standing on a knife edge of a delicate balance between the green water and bb (not very likely).

The pond do looks like a nice display pond. why don't you clear away the green water and go the filter-way? Gotta upgrade your filter, but it will allow higher stocking than is possible with green water.
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post Sun, 04 Jul 2004 5:28 pm
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Has your IOS filter matured? How's the nitrate level like in your pond? If your filter is matured, you should get some readings of nitrate in your green water, but unlike a typical biological filtration, the nitrate level doesn't accumulate aggressively.
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post Sun, 04 Jul 2004 6:23 pm
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QUOTE(square_guy @ Sun 04 Jul 2004 04:04 PM)
did you check your pH?

green water and normal biofiltration don't usually go hand-in-hand. It is likely that the biofiltration in the filter is non-existent. Or you could simply be standing on a knife edge of a delicate balance between the green water and bb (not very likely). 

The pond do looks like a nice display pond. why don't you clear away the green water and go the filter-way? Gotta upgrade your filter, but it will allow higher stocking than is possible with green water.


QUOTE(Allan @ Sun 04 Jul 2004 05:28 PM)
tvr

Has your IOS filter matured?  How's the nitrate level like in your pond?  If your filter is matured, you should get some readings of nitrate in your green water, but unlike a typical biological filtration, the nitrate level doesn't accumulate aggressively.


Frankly, I dont use test kit for PH or nitrate. Propably know nuts of them.
Have been reading all the bros discussion on them! Still do not understand too much. Anyway, I started this tub early this year. Did not face problem with water (might be the coz that I did not study further). green water just keep coming back? Infact, I once used anti green product to try to get rid of them. It work, maybe for 1 week and green water back again? And that choke my IOS totally with algae residues. Now keep low stocking. Waiting for my new tub. Even my other 4 clothes washing tub are green?
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yo dave, why din u give a thought on why i asked "kept in filtered water for quite a while" ?

U got a photo of the fish when u first got it ?

do a comparison. The fish tells more stories than our guessings.
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post Sun, 04 Jul 2004 8:59 pm
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QUOTE(The Matrix @ Sun 04 Jul 2004 08:10 PM)
yo dave, why din u give a thought on why i asked "kept in filtered water for quite a while" ?

U got a photo of the fish when u first got it ?

do a comparison. The fish tells more stories than our guessings.

I'm becoming more confused wacko.gif
My digi cam is only 4 days old.
Basically bought it because of this site tongue.gif
Cant do compare, please enlight. No suspense wink.gif

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how the fish develop, is a hint to how it was kept and cared for smile.gif
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post Sun, 04 Jul 2004 10:14 pm
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QUOTE(CyberET @ Sun 04 Jul 2004 09:34 PM)
how the fish develop, is a hint to how it was kept and cared for smile.gif

Keeping in filtered water? Isn't it quite normal?
Unless you only use sponge filter or only sand stone right?
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QUOTE(top_view_ranchu @ Sun 04 Jul 2004 10:14 PM)
Keeping in filtered water? Isn't it quite normal?
Unless you only use sponge filter or only sand stone right?

that fish has a jap look. I hope I am right. Look expensive also.

but the problems lies on development. Seems like out of proportion especially on the head.

Paisey, other than the miserable display tank with sponge filter, a few average fish for display and rotation, the rest of the my goldfish never have a chance to be in a filtered water tank.

pure green algae juice dude ...
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QUOTE(The Matrix @ Sun 04 Jul 2004 11:30 PM)
that fish has a jap look. I hope I am right. Look expensive also.

but the problems lies on development. Seems like out of proportion especially on the head.

Paisey, other than the miserable display tank with sponge filter, a few average fish for display and rotation, the rest of the my goldfish never have a chance to be in a filtered water tank.

pure green algae juice dude ...

Wa lau,
I whole day cannot eat leh.
Now then you feed back!
Its made in japan and ex! You're right.
Why filtration disturb the growth ah?
I have tub without filtration too, but thought ex fish put in ex tub! blush.gif

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Bro Top_view_ranchu,

Really look forward to your sump setup ( pics ) cos I'm due for a similiar setup soon.

Just brought a 4ft FGT from 1 of the bros, plan to setup sump + sponge filter, but really know nuts about sump setup.

Appreciate any bros could kindly give me some tips on how to setup a sump IOS, wat equipment is needed as well as filtration media. beg2.gif beg2.gif

Thanks in advance smile.gif
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QUOTE(square_guy @ Sun 04 Jul 2004 04:04 PM)
QUOTE(top_view_ranchu @ Sun 04 Jul 2004 10:03 AM)
I presume its the sunlight & ceramics.
Infect I do a 100 % change everytime. But do not wash ceramic too thoroughtly. green water start coming back the 2nd day. If I seed water, the next change will be pretty soon.

did you check your pH?

green water and normal biofiltration don't usually go hand-in-hand. It is likely that the biofiltration in the filter is non-existent. Or you could simply be standing on a knife edge of a delicate balance between the green water and bb (not very likely).

The pond do looks like a nice display pond. why don't you clear away the green water and go the filter-way? Gotta upgrade your filter, but it will allow higher stocking than is possible with green water.


QUOTE(Allan @ Sun 04 Jul 2004 05:28 PM)
tvr

Has your IOS filter matured?  How's the nitrate level like in your pond?  If your filter is matured, you should get some readings of nitrate in your green water, but unlike a typical biological filtration, the nitrate level doesn't accumulate aggressively.


Hi Bros,
Just taken PH and nitrate level.
Nitrate : below 10 tongue.gif
PH : 6.5 ohmy.gif
Added BS immediately, but slowly as HB had mention.

2nd take
Nitrate same
PH : 7.5

Please tell me what are the consequences of long term low PH? beg2.gif
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now we know y theres green water smile.gif
filter issn't working + overstocked
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QUOTE(top_view_ranchu @ Mon 05 Jul 2004 02:00 PM)
Hi Bros,
Just taken PH and nitrate level.
Nitrate : below 10 tongue.gif
PH : 6.5 ohmy.gif
Added BS immediately, but slowly as HB had mention.

2nd take
Nitrate same
PH : 7.5

Please tell me what are the consequences of long term low PH? beg2.gif

Consequences? Lost of colour (as pointed out by our matrix) despite using "green water".

Normal green water's pH is above 8.0 during day time. You can artificially up the pH of your green water by using Baking Soda. Go as high as 6-8dkH.

You took the two nitrate tests how far a part? I would like to see you do daily test for 7 days if possible (your new test kit will expire in less than one month anyway so... put it to good use. biggrin.gif)

My own test shows presence of nitrate but it is low and stay constant. In a typical clear water bio-filered setup, the nitrate will accumulate daily. Bio-green does not have this problem.
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