What Kind Of Goldfish Are These?, Butterfly Demekin Ranchu Options

[The Matrix]

How a topview ranchu swims carries the most weight in competition.

Does the same applies to a topview oranda too? 

everything is about gracefulness. very subjective right ?

[The Matrix]

Do they compete the pearlscales?  I for one prefer to look at Pearlies from the top where the body is ball-shape.  It's like having ping pong balls in the tub. In this light, the short-tail variety is preferred.

... but those damn malaysian pealies with short-tails are difficult to keep alive the last time I tried.  I'll attempt it when I have a new tub.

hmmm so far i dun recall, maybe got to flip thru those books.

try buying pearl again lah ... they are very nice fish leh.

[chrisamos]

I was googling and came across this unusual (to me) goldfish at a Japanese web site.

It has the head of a top-view ranchu but a butterfly tails.  There's a dorsal fin on the ranchu-like body; I wonder how it looks from the side.

I can't read Japanese, but here's the page with more goldfishes I've never seen before.

this is a top view Oranda, in japan they try to breed all type of goldfish to be view from the top. but some may fail.

[HappyBuddha]

Two more topview japanese (calico) oranda for you guys and gals to see. These looks great eh?

[Allan]

JK Aquatic has two top-view calico Oranda, very similar to those in the above photo!

One is about 8-9 inches (including the long tails) while the other with a more rounded head and about 5 inches costs $500 and $300 respectively.

They look really nice.

JK also have another variety of goldfish which unfortunately I cannot name as I have not seen them before. They are calico but single tailed. Looks like huge feeder goldfish but being from Japan I'm sure they are expensive goldfish that I don't know how to appreciate.

Go take a look; they are housed at the backyard tubs. As a courtesy, do ask for permission before you go inside.

I also saw in the backyard a topview ranchu with a massive headgrowth, under treatment for Dropsy. Sad. They are using yellow powder but I don't know if it's BeFuran or the Japanese Yellow Powder.

This post has been edited by Fatallan: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 4:08 pm

[kingyoo]

Ok, got more translation on this site.

The fish shop is in the Shinjuku district of Tokyo. This type of oranda is called oranda shishi gashira. But I don't know what it means. This is a sort of advertisement for these type of oranda. It says that these are easy to care for and just "follow your heart" for keeping this fish healthy. What ever that means. There is really not a direct translation for this.

The customers who bought some of these oranda shishi gashira in the past have really loved these fish and enjoy them.

That's about it. No prices were posted. Then the single pictures again just show each fish and it's owner.

[kingyoo]

Hi Happybuddah!

I found some interesting info about the name of these goldfish from the web site.

I wrote earlier...

This type of oranda is called oranda shishi gashira

I haven't been around because I have been busy researching. I bought a few older goldfish books that were written 40 to 80 years ago. Very cool stuff.

Any way... oranda shishigashira translates to "dutch lionhead". Which implies that the use of "dutch" sort of like "false or pretend" to make this a valid variety. Remember, this comes from old text.

I found lot's of interesting names for goldfish in the old days.

So the use of the full name for the oranda on this web site makes me think that these oranda resemble the oranda that were bred 100 or so years ago.

If you want me to post more "interesting goldfish history" let me know. I won't do it on my own as I would hate to bore you guys. Since some of you, (Demekin ) already know this stuff.

[mountain]

Post POst!! PosT!!
who object to more knowledge??!!

[dennis]

Please, do post.

[Goldenpearl]

I believe its just the ful name of Oranda in Japan if iam not mistaking.

If have read about the Name Oranda that it was chosen because the headgrowht reminded the Japanse of The duthc People.
The Nethelands was one of the fiew countrys wo had have contackt/trade whit Japan in years the weare verry isolated and dont let outher counrys near there country.Back in those days The VOC Captians and novelty,upperclas whore wigs those days (hich and curly) could remind them of there headgrowt, i dont have anny evedince of that.

Also i have also read the strory That Oranda typ me have been found in dutch goldfisgfarms (fish that where taken oversea's came in the whit the VOC, and where taken back to Asia/Japan and the cultivated the type.
Holland/The Netherlands was one of the first countrys whit a Goldfisgfarm, if not the frst in europa.I believe the first goldfish arived in Portugal.

This post has been edited by Goldenpearl: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 2:04 pm

[Gary]

I believe its just the ful name of Oranda in Japan if iam not mistaking.

If have read about the Name Oranda that it was chosen because the headgrowht reminded the Japanse of The duthc People.
The Nethelands was one of the fiew countrys wo had have contackt/trade whit Japan in years the weare verry isolated and dont let outher counrys near there country.Back in those days The VOC Captians and novelty,upperclas whore wigs those days (hich and curly) could remind them of there headgrowt, i dont have anny evedince of that.

Also i have also read the strory That Oranda typ me have been found in dutch goldfisgfarms (fish that where taken oversea's came in the whit the VOC, and where taken back to Asia/Japan and the cultivated the type.
Holland/The Netherlands was one of the first countrys whit a Goldfisgfarm, if not the frst in europa.I believe the first goldfish arived in Portugal.

Is a very old thread.
Anyway I'm posting my Top View Oranda with their baby. My breed I had actually selected the fry to be a short body and a wider body when view from side but still having the Top View Appreciation.

[Gary]

More picture

[hondataeg6]

Gary, you're oranda are beautiful. These are not available in the states. I have crossed a tvr and a Thai oranda to try and make my own.