Need Help - What Is Green Water Options

[HappyBuddha]

Yes, 3-4 days to become dark green. I seed back 10% of green water. Why did HB use bio with green? Is it because green water cannot effectly remove ammonia to zero?

Many reasons were involved but primarily because of the relatively weak PL lamp in used and the over-stocking of fishes. Yes, in this light the green water wasn't enough to remove ammonia completely.

[jowy_ham]

HB, what is the difference between bio-green and pure green water ?

Me confused after reading this thread. All along I have impression that :

- green water is green water ( no BB involvement ) and it is good for goldfish because it is food to goldfish and it helps to maintain optimum water quality ( except for oxygen burn con )

- Bio filteration is BB cultivated in sponge/filter medium that helps to convert the ammonia to nitrite and then nirate.

Now we have bio-green, is it a hybrie ( dunno how to spell ) of both ?

And since there is a issue of amount of green water to per fish ( too little green water, ammonia doesnt gets convert fast enough ), may I know what is the recommend volume ? same as per goldfish requirement -> bare minimum of 50L per goldfish ?

lao jiao bros, please chip in also so that I may learn

Thanks in advance

[The Matrix]

Now we have bio-green, is it a hybrie ( dunno how to spell ) of both ?

And since there is a issue of amount of green water to per fish ( too little green water, ammonia doesnt gets convert fast enough ), may I know what is the recommend volume ? same as per goldfish requirement -> bare minimum of 50L per goldfish ?

You are correct about both the green water and Filtered water.

So combining both, you got bio-green-filtered-water. U have both good and bad of both world all-in-one.

In fact, there are another which is constant water flow, which many local farms are doing. So constantly water is replace/dilute/replenish .....

As for minimum vol, it depends on your fish varieties and size. Some need a minimum of 200L per fish, some requires just 50-80L for maintaining. Especially when the fish growing bigger, things change even more drastically. Some might need more depth, some lower. No fix rules, you got to judge how u want to develop the fish and how the fish is developing.

Of course, not many will go for such large vol especially when space in our home is a concern. Who want to keep 6 small goldfish in a 6x2x2 tank or larger.

[HappyBuddha]

HB, what is the difference between bio-green and pure green water ?

Now we have bio-green, is it a hybrie ( dunno how to spell ) of both ?

I think I'm the one who shamelessly coined the term bio-green, but it's probably not something I invented although i did carry out some tests to establish some facts and dispel some myths about green water. Yawn.

Yeah, it's a hybrid of clear and green water. I prefer to think of it as Clear Water with free-floating unicelluar algae added. On the other hand, cynics of bio-green will say it's Green Water with bacteria added. So it's really how you see it, whether a cup is half-full or half-empty....

If you subscribe to my view about bio-green, you must first and foremost love filtered clear water. Setting one up correctly (including doing regular water change), your goldfish will thrive in it. However, we all know that there's something in filtered water that isn't good in high concentration -- nitrate. Bio-green overcomes this problem as my test results have shown bio-green is able to keep the nitrate count constant or prevent it from accumulating linearly on a daily basis.

So now you have filtered water without excessive nitrate. One cheer for Bio-green.

Next, there's additional source of food, the algae, for your goldfish to eat. The benefits of algae is well known so I won't repeat here.

So there you have it. Bio-green is a hybrid of Clear and Green Water.

lao jiao bros, please chip in also so that I may learn 

Thanks in advance

Side track... you have always sounded and written sincerely but I would suggest others to avoid calling users here "expert", "lau jiao", or "guru" as *sometimes* it's taken wrongly, abeit like I see someone with a hair of golden spikey yellow hair and I say to him "Wah, your hair cool sia." That person might take my complement as an insult.

[HappyBuddha]

Of course, not many will go for such large vol especially when space in our home is a concern. Who want to keep 6 small goldfish in a 6x2x2 tank or larger.

I think on everyone's agenda is to educate and advocate newbies to keep the right amount of goldfish for their tank sizes, instead of recreating LFS's tank displays in their homes. Of course, this is only for true goldfish lovers. Afterall, a truly good sample of goldfish is hard to come by in Singapore; why fcuk it up by overcrowding its environment.

[The Matrix]

I think on everyone's agenda is to educate and advocate newbies to keep the right amount of goldfish for their tank sizes, instead of recreating LFS's tank displays in their homes.  Of course, this is only for true goldfish lovers.  Afterall, a truly good sample of goldfish is hard to come by in Singapore; why fcuk it up by overcrowding its environment.

The problem is not many hobbyists can accept this basic principle. Simply if you try to tell someone about a min of 50L per fish, a 2x1x1 tank merely holds a single fish. Worst, like you mentioned, good specimens are hard to come by and small fishes are easily available here. It will be even harder to accept that a small 2-3" fish requires such large amount of water.

Remember your overcrowded tank ? How much effort you have put in to maintain it. Tell that to the world and see how many hobbyists will say "lu wu siao bo".

Again, like you have mentioned, only for true goldfish lovers that they will go the extra mile to ensure the environment is well within control.

Given that certain limitation like space to many hobbyists, like your initial idea of doing bio-green, educating them not in term of space but in term of water.

The old ancient chinese sayings remain true to today ... " keep fish first keep water " 养鱼先养水 ..... China Goldfish Master Liu said in his interview "don't know how to keep water, don't keep fish".

He, at 80+ yrs old, is keeping 6 large red-cap in a wooden tub some 1m diameter and around 30cm water.

[cktan]

6 large red cap in assuming 1m x 1m x 0.3m of water? That roughly comes our to be only abt 50L per goldfish. I tot he master? He also overcrowding his goldfish leh.

Confuse liao. Maybe he change his water every 4 days rather than 7.

[mountain]

The old ancient chinese sayings remain true to today ... " keep fish first keep water " 养鱼先养水 ..... China Goldfish Master Liu said in his interview "don't know how to keep water, don't keep fish".

too bad .. we don't have pui pui natural water .. all our water .. all so depleted of minerals

[Seacucumber]

use EVIAN.....

[cktan]

I just changed water last nite and realise theres some color change to one of the goldfish in just 18 days.

The white became yellowish orange and the orange became deeper orange.

It used to have white cheeks but now, yellow cheeks

[HappyBuddha]

Remember your overcrowded tank ? How much effort you have put in to maintain it. Tell that to the world and see how many hobbyists will say "lu wu siao bo".

Grin. I better not say but those who track back will know it's 100%, twice a week. Strangely I still practice that despite providing 80-90L of water per fish. I guess I really don't like nitrate, or love to change water. Sichey siao indeed.

Seriously considering no filtration at all.... ;) Geert is doing it. I would love to try it.

The old ancient chinese sayings remain true to today ... " keep fish first keep water " 养鱼先养水 ..... China Goldfish Master Liu said in his interview "don't know how to keep water, don't keep fish".

There's another saying...

不会养水，那就常换水吧。哈佛

if you don't know how to keep water, change it often.

[goldfish82]

thanks to all sin jiao and lao jiao here for ur help. nw i understand what is green water.

[cktan]

Seriously considering no filtration at all....  ;)  Geert is doing it.  I would love to try it. 

After u hv tried, lemme know hows the results .

Maybe his water source is vastly different from us and thats why he can do 100% every 5 days. Dont forget he didnt even use water conditioner, just aged his water only. Our water dept uses chloromine (in certain places) besides chlorine. Aging the water wont remove the chloromine.

Buy water from him .

[The Matrix]

不会养水，那就常换水吧。哈佛

继续换啦, 大佬
抽嘀时间学暇养水之道啦.

[HappyBuddha]

After u hv tried, lemme know hows the results  .

Maybe his water source is vastly different from us and thats why he can do 100% every 5 days. Dont forget he didnt even use water conditioner, just aged his water only. Our water dept uses chloromine (in certain places) besides chlorine. Aging the water wont remove the chloromine.

Buy water from him  .

K, I'll give it a try when I have more free time. Starting a new setup will take careful planning, observation and most importantly conducting tests to find an equilibrium. The no filtration method also requires heck of alot of water per fish, I presumed.

Yeah, chloramine is probably not present in belgium's water. Here we need to apply anti-chlorine to break them down to chlorine and ammonia. The fact that breaking down chloramine produces ammonia is something I have to look into in the filtration-free method... I suspect I will need to use even more water than Geert because of that.