How To Create GW Artificially?, Split From Topic 1332 Options

[CyberET]

??? what fish u keeping? chinese ranchu?

[cktan]

did alvin advise you to use 10,000K bulb as well?

Nope. I did buy another bulb exactly the same as his. Unfortunately, its less than 4000K.

[cktan]

Darting around usually due to stress. If your present fish still in such manner, better try to find out why before you attempt further "experiment" on the poor fish.

Darting around is due to stress. Hehehe, thats what i think so. I think u hv to convince Alvin darting around is due to stress. I told him and he said its normal. What can i do? Where got normal fish eat half way then all of a sudden dart to another corner of the tub and then afraid to go back to that corner to eat?

Im experimenting on feeder goldfish. Those are meant to be in bigger fish mouth. If i havent taken them back, they would hv been dead by now. Only certain type of fish will die in my tap water. Sucker fish is one of them.

Aii, lets not dwell on this topic. Its still a mystery.

[The Matrix]

Darting around is due to stress. Hehehe, thats what i think so. I think u hv to convince Alvin darting around is due to stress. I told him and he said its normal. What can i do?  Where got normal fish eat half way then all of a sudden dart to another corner of the tub and then afraid to go back to that corner to eat?

Im experimenting on feeder goldfish. Those are meant to be in bigger fish mouth. If i havent taken them back, they would hv been dead by now. Only certain type of fish will die in my tap water. Sucker fish is one of them.

Aii, lets not dwell on this topic. Its still a mystery.

hahahaha ... u go disturb the fish when it is eating har ? no wonder dart lah. It can be stress by something else instead of your water or lamp .... sometime u just got to figure that out. It is normal to see it if the fish got shock. Anyway, a single fish of course lah. U try 2-3 fish u won't see it.

Dun waste time on feeder fish.

Nothing is a mystery if u dun put in effort to find out. Of course we are not talking about paranormal phenomenon.

[CyberET]

Darting around is due to stress. Hehehe, thats what i think so. I think u hv to convince Alvin darting around is due to stress. I told him and he said its normal. What can i do?  Where got normal fish eat half way then all of a sudden dart to another corner of the tub and then afraid to go back to that corner to eat?

Im experimenting on feeder goldfish. Those are meant to be in bigger fish mouth. If i havent taken them back, they would hv been dead by now. Only certain type of fish will die in my tap water. Sucker fish is one of them.

Aii, lets not dwell on this topic. Its still a mystery.

Aii.. u think koi ah? can train to come to u for food? goldfish r not as smart le..
one huge giant that it can sense the vibration a metre away, casting a shadow into the water.. if i'm so small like the fish, sure get freaked out as well, the more u disturb, the more the fish can't settle down..

i'll definately get freaked out if i see a strange object the size of a boeing 777 suddenely appearing on top of me..

y u playing with feeder fish? *faint* i got a few fishes that i need to get rid off, too many fishes, no space, u wanna adopt?

what u do to the sucker fish?

[desireless]

Thats what i think also. 2 mths very long hoh. Alvin Lim advice me on the setup leh. Shouldnt be wrong right? No filter, only an airstone, with a 10cm Ranchu inside. Light op is 150W 10,000K bulb hang at 35 cm above water level surface. I cannot reduce the water else the water level in the tub will be less than 20cm and goldfish might get "burned" by the strong light.  Changing 90% water weekly till water turns green also taught to me by Alvin. Sh be ok, just that this way, green will kick in much much longer.  But he did warn me that tub is underloaded and might take some time for green to kick in. Aiii, end up, green didnt come in but high ammonia and nitrite came 

Anyway, im satisfied with my 2nd try. 2 weeks to get intense green. I think the receipe is to overload the tub, more hrs of lighting and seeding back 50% of water instead of 10%.

By the way, did u ever test yr green water for nitrite say after 5 days?

I have no doubt with Mr Alvin Lim's teaching. But did you RECEIVE his instructions procedures correctly?

Firstly, We are talking about VIRGIN BREW here. FIRST BREW. Meaning, cultivating Green Water from SCRATCH... with NO SEEDING AT ALL. You start with CLEAR WATER (de-chlorinated/de-chloramined).

For VIRGIN BREW, if you keep changing the water before it turns green FOR THE FIRST TIME, you'll take a very very long time for the algae to actually kick start. I would say, taking 2 months with your method, is considered FAST already. For your success, I credit it to the strong MH lamp that you're using. If you have been using PL lamp with that method of 90% weekly change (before even seeing first sight of green), it will probably take FOREVER. Trust me, if you have waited, say another 2-3 days (after that one week) the algae would have kicked start. But after you do that 90% water change, you SEMULAH (back to square one) everything! You see... you have wait 7 days to change water... you might as well wait for another 2-3 days for the algae to finally kick in. Make sense? Of course the guildline of "8 to 10 days" was applicable to lesser water volume like 40 litres or so. One of the reasons why there's no filter for virgin brew (after virgin brew, you might want to play with BIO-GREEN or FILTER-green water or dunno-wat-green, etc which some experts here are already playing with), is that you need to "create" the neccesary waste level before algae kick start. So it makes more sense for you to have LOWER WATER VOLUME.

If you're worried about stressing your fish with the method written by HB, which I referred you to earlier, you might want to try the fishless method. HB once did successfully OUTDOOR. I experimented also successfully with just PL lamp, INDOOR. For the 3rd time I did it, I was able to achieve intense green water in just 5 days.

I believe Alvin was telling you to do that "weekly 90% change of green water" AFTER your VIRGIN BREW stage. That's when you've got green water seed already. With seeding, your green water culture will start in less an hour or so, with exposure to the necessary light intensity (preferrbly above 6000K). So you will NEED change your green water every weekly or so.

[cktan]

hahahaha ... u go disturb the fish when it is eating har ? no wonder dart lah. It can be stress by something else instead of your water or lamp .... sometime u just got to figure that out. It is normal to see it if the fish got shock. Anyway, a single fish of course lah. U try 2-3 fish u won't see it.

Dun waste time on feeder fish.

Nothing is a mystery if u dun put in effort to find out. Of course we are not talking about paranormal phenomenon.

Im standing more than 3m away from the tub. Sometimes, i hide myself in one corner of the room. goldfish so smart meh? Can see me 3m away? I know base on Physics, their eyes can see at most 180deg. But at an angle im observing the goldfish, it is not possible for the goldfish to hv seen me.

My first try after i moved to my new house was 2 baby thai ranchu. Just 2 weeks, both floated. Both however are still alive and with me. 1.5 years old liao.

Second try was another pair of Thai Ranchu given to me by a Ozeki member, one floated and the other half floated in just 1 mth.

I can only think of it this way. My house is relatively new and is already 4 years old. I hv stayed there for only 1.5 years. And when i moved in there, the block is only 20% filled. So for the past 3.5 years, the block occupancy rate is very low. Naturally, the water tank refresh rate in the block is also very low. Some hv said aging water for too long results in "dead" water and even arrowana put in such water will die. So its like theres alot of bacteria/parasite in the stupid water tank.

Another thing i notice is, there is no trace of chlorine in my tap water. 8 mins walk to Jurong Point and i notice the water there has chlorine content.

One thing for sure. It is definitely stressed by my water. All my fish dart. Even cardinals, cories which didnt happen until i moved to this new place. Only sucker fish will die.

[cktan]

I have no doubt with Mr Alvin Lim's teaching. But did you RECEIVE his instructions procedures correctly?

I believe Alvin was telling you to do that "weekly 90% change of green water" AFTER your VIRGIN BREW stage. That's when you've got green water seed already. With seeding, your green water culture will start in less an hour or so, with exposure to the necessary light intensity (preferrbly above 6000K). So you will NEED change your green water every weekly or so.

Im sorry. That is exactly what Alvin told me to do. To change 90% water weekly until water turns green. If u dont believe me, u can quote my words to him. he did mention that due to underloading of the tub, green might not take place.

[cktan]

I hv previously captured video clips of my GFs stressful behaviour. Did u ever see goldfish swimming in laps for a long time along the tub and around the tub as if participating in a swimming competition?

Thats what my goldfish do. I regret that i hv deleted away those video clips from my camera. Else i can post it here and let everyone decide for themselves what went wrong.

[top_view_ranchu]

I hv previously captured video clips of my GFs stressful behaviour. Did u ever see goldfish swimming in laps for a long time along the tub and around the tub as if participating in a swimming competition?

Thats what my goldfish do. I regret that i hv deleted away those video clips from my camera. Else i can post it here and let everyone decide for themselves what went wrong.

All your description about scratch and restless swimming sound like body infectionn leh!

[The Matrix]

I can only think of it this way. My house is relatively new and is already 4 years old. I hv stayed there for only 1.5 years. And when i moved in there, the block is only 20% filled. So for the past 3.5 years, the block occupancy rate is very low. Naturally, the water tank refresh rate in the block is also very low. Some hv said aging water for too long results in "dead" water and even arrowana put in such water will die. So its like theres alot of bacteria/parasite in the stupid water tank.

Another thing i notice is, there is no trace of chlorine in my tap water. 8 mins walk to Jurong Point and i notice the water there has chlorine content.

One thing for sure. It is definitely stressed by my water. All my fish dart. Even cardinals, cories which didnt happen until i moved to this new place.  Only sucker fish will die.

hahahahahahaha .... got a good solution .... shift house to a more populated place like AMK ...

Or u use more water so that the refresh rate improve.

no trace of CL no good meh ? Save money buying neutraliser. Wah, u even test the water at Jurong pt ... champion lah !!!

So how's your fish right now ? Still darting around when u are 3m away or stay calm ? green water started liao right ?

[CyberET]

i dunno about 3m away, but i know my fishes will dive 2m away when i'm coming..

as for your water.. hehehe hope that the gov's recent measures will improve occupancy rates

i ever had a lone crown pearlscale lapping round my tub for a week, before it finally calm down. After i added another crown pearlscale 2 weeks later, they've been good buddies, exploring the tub together, hehe, they've been together happily ever since

[cktan]

no trace of CL no good meh ? Save money buying neutraliser. Wah, u even test the water at Jurong pt ... champion lah !!! 

So how's your fish right now ? Still darting around when u are 3m away or stay calm ? green water started liao right ?

Aiyoo, no chlorine good meh? Whats the primary purpose of chlorine?

I think i really deserve the Champion title leh . Testing Jurong pt water is just one of the many things i hv done. Others include:
1) Write to water dept and complain
2) Call them up personally as well
3) Transport water from my company and test it on the feeder goldfish
4) Boiled my house tap water.
5) Test my frend living in another blk for Chlorine.
6) Spend $100+ just to test my tap water. End up OK. Sian... But testing the water is not just for the fish. I hv 3 attack cases of stomach flu when i moved in to the new house. Now ok liao leh. Hehehe, maybe my body immune to the water bacteria/parasite liao.
7) And many other crazy things that i can think of....

goldfish still occasionally dart abt. But i can see the fishes behaving much better as compared to those a year ago. Now the house is abt 98% occupied. By sometimes some couples just come on weekends (u know do wat lah). I hope they moved in here quick and help to flush some water.

I hv one pioneer goldfish which will always gulp air after each meal. Gulp so much that it will float after that. Poor goldfish. Suffer like that for 1.5 yrs liao. But still didnt die. Maybe i will capture a video clip of it in suffering and show u bros here.

green water start liao. No problem this time. . Now the feeder goldfish in green water. So, 3 m away cannot see anything liao. . In a way also good. I no need to bother abt them. But i did saw one always gulp for air after each meal. I think this one hv potential to float .

[The Matrix]

Aiyoo, no chlorine good meh?    Whats the primary purpose of chlorine?

Aiyo, u wrote to PUB and tell them my house no chlorine. And what did they tell u instead ? Let me try, there is nothing wrong with no chlorine.

Sigh .... if u start to dump away those angmo pie, you might be able to gain more.

Next !

[cktan]

Aiyo, u wrote to PUB and tell them my house no chlorine. And what did they tell u instead ? Let me try, there is nothing wrong with no chlorine. 

Hah? u mean yr house tap water also no chlorine? What they told me? Standard reply loh.

There is a WHO water standard that sh be followed. Chlorine is added at the water treatment site to kill off bacteria/parasite. The amt sh be large enough so that residual chlorine level at the consumer site must exceed ???mg/l but must be less that ???mg/l. SOrrie, forgot how much.

U sure yr house tap water no chlorine??