Looking For Solid Sv Ranchus... Which Lfs Have...., more selections? Options

[YLD]

hoah......ATOS.....
what i mean is that NEVER STOP LEARNING......
no one is a guru of any sort....
even top breeders or top clubs experience probelms...

sharing selectively?? u are right.....
thats why different clubs in Japan or even different farms in China and Thailand dun exchange ideas.....each have their own ways....

"never stop learning" that right, no doubt. As stated above, information is shared selectively, how to learn continuously? This is tough! kekeke!

I do hope local clubs are not following what the superior ones are doing in thai, jap and china. jus a dream!!!

[CyberET]

some pics of my dad's goldfish, i'm looking for the smae or maybe better standards?

love them alot

another one  which i wish can fing others like him.

i think u can easily find such quality at 35a, 35b, Aquatic Connection, QH recently got some big ones as well

[Chinmo]

i think u can easily find such quality at 35a, 35b, Aquatic Connection, QH recently got some big ones as well

thanks for the info bro, must go cc lok lok got better than those i posted anot first b4 buying, want to buy, must buy very nice ones...

[CyberET]

today first day of treatment....
keeping my fingers cross.....
if i lose him, i give up this hobby....and keep luohan....

good luck

[The Matrix]

Started from a short message .... then ... 1st time I see such a loooooonnnnngggggg thread within a day, actually just hours.

Okay, a few interesting arguement here and since all fallen asleep, i just drop in my opinions ...

Grading
In fact, not just Thailand breeders doing grading, but Chinese and Japanese as well. However, when comes to grading, it depends on how one breeder judge and experience in judging. To certain extend, grading helps to sell fish in batches and of course, income to the breeders. However, not many people understand such grading unless one has been taught on what each level or grade means.

As of right now, let's not talk about such sensitive topic. But to focus on how one decide to buy a fish with respect to how one understand a fish. Grading will only cloud your decision.

Keeping
No matter what fish, from hot to cold or from hard to blackish water, the MOST important thing a hobbyist should start with is understand the fish and the required environment. We might not be able to "move" the Amazon River to our house just to keep discus or Lake Malawi just to keep cichlids. But we can, in some way, understand what these fish prefered, what they need, what they afraid, what they eat, then we think of HOW we can achieve by providing these WHATs.

Don't tell me goldfish also come from common goldfish and they live in the wild river. What we have in our home ARE fanciful goldfish, cross bred for hundred of years, grown in China, Japan or Thailand farms, sold to those shops, and we buy them. They won't be able to survive in the wild. There are vast information here, if not enough, the internet contains hundreds of search pages about goldfish, their breeding, their habitats, their food, etc. All one need is to read, digest, understand and focus on the HOWs.

Buying Power
Sensitive leh. Different people has different wallets and pockets. Anyone who would afford to buy 20 kashino at sky rocket price, dun need to envy. Important is can one keep it well. Full-stop.


Upgrading of newbies
Like HB mentioned, TOUGH !
In actual fact, everyday you are learning about your own fish. Everyone is a new keeper. It is not how many one can buy or how much one can afford. To me, a very simple and easy indicator about one's knowledge is to tell yourself this -> My previous fishes are not nice at all comparing to present ones.

Then I say you have move higher level of understanding. How high can it goes ? No limit.

skill, experience
Skill and experience is not easy topic to write. All voice down to individual eagerness, determination, perseverance, endurance and very very important about attaining skill and gaining experience is Passion.

I am not talking about i like ranchu today, guppy tomorrow, betta the next. Might as well print some pictures or put a nice one in that CTRL-ALT-DEL MSWindow screen (kekekeke APPLE users I dunno what to call it). The people here I know of are putting in a lot of effort, time, delication and sacrifies just to keep their fish in a very good environment.

One will argue that I only want a tank to beautify my house, or just something to relax and watch after a day of hard work. I believe if one buy a dog or cat, one will learn or try to learn everything about keeping them. Don't tell me u don't bath, feed and clean up their environment. Will you hug a sick dog ?

Directing to lfs
Nothing wrong with it. But I guess HB done a good job listing down all the shops that bring in goldfish. Well, not everyday one can find good ones, but at least, we know where are such shops or farms that we could visit when we are free and probably got a chance to buy 1 or 2. But of course, if one constantly promoting for a single source, then that's something we, as a hobbyist, should be aware of the intent.

Information sharing
Highly sensitive issue. Did anyone search anything about goldfish in the WWW ? Of course ! Ton of papers just to print them all out.

But all talking about history, food, water, filter, pictures, more pictures and languages that one could not understand.

But did anyone noticed that no breeders will mention about their breeding techniques, breeding stocks, culling methology and how they see what really is good.

These are kept secret, commercially not viable to fill the public with such information, worst of all, many of the chinese farm are family controlled and information are passed down to the "chosen" one.

Such information are hard, near impossible, to gather. One needs to gain experience through years of painful mistakes. Many takes years even with guidance. Forums, websites are channel of mass communication. With many different skillset, experience gathering together at a single place is like a pub with good and bad drinkers. Some like wine, some beer, some girls.

Some of the people here has organised gatherings in a regular basis. These, in fact, is a better channel to communicate, interact and discuss. Understanding each other better and in return a strong tie within a small community, better cooperation, improving in a orderly manner, Achieve MORE. Don't you (those that has went to these gatherings) find it that way ?

Let's go back to have fun ! Start looking at your fish ...

This post has been edited by The Matrix: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 1:57 am

[nobnoba]

Walauweee...
like reading a seminar article or newspaper.... so long and detailed. Thumbs up!

Would like to share my thoughts as well.
we all started from newbie and learn to upgrade, true or not? now ask yourself, how many of you START with an expensive and beautiful goldfish? if you do, raise your hand. I bet not many of you. Neither did i.

right now, i still have the first goldfish that i bought, if i look at her i think to myself "damn ugly!". Had it not been my very first goldfish, i would have put her to sleep. seriously...! its like a disgrace compared to the other japanese ranchus that i bought.

My point is... many of you argued that lots of good and expensive/not expensive fish end up in the hands of newbie. this argument is utterly baseless. Usually newbies start with bad ugly fish. why? because they kena CHEATED by LFS lah! Even if we refer a newbie to an LFS that carry an excellent fish, the owner of LFS will try to sale the ugly fish first to the newbie.

Final thought.
just want to share my experience. At first i bought ugly goldfish, then slowly move on to good ones and finally keep japanese ranchus, after i am convinced that i have matured in my knowledge of fishkeeping (i dont claim to be expert!...yet) Now, if i go to local LFS, usually i am not excited. why? most of the fish are ugly. Now i just go to 1-2 LFS that i know for sure their goldfish is above average. Even then, sometimes i dont find good fish. so ... yes... beauty is in the eye of beholder.

This post has been edited by nobnoba: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 2:38 am

[desireless]

Not a crime to help direct interested parties to where some good fish are.
One can't possibly buy up every good fish there is, so try being a bit less selfish and tell others where they can go without having to waste their precious time.It really doesn't take much effort to recognise what a good ranchu should look like and the more difficult part is to maintain/improve/groom good fish. Unfortunately, good fish are not cheap but don't be disheartened when you miss out on buying some - there will ALWAYS be other nice ones down the road...just be patient!

It is very unfair to hurl the word "selfish" here. I thought we have tried explaining why we're so "restrained" on passing such info?

Not that we're afraid to bring in more "rivals" in fish purchase. I supposed my "5-yr-old g/f owner" example is one illustration good enough?

[leogon]

It is the job of moderators/administrators to be fair ie directing newbies to a long list of LFS when they ask for advice re where to go to get good fish.
It is however not a practical answer.
It is like when you ask someone what they would like to eat when at a hawker centre and they say 'anything will do' - might as well not have asked in the first instance!
Therefore I certainly feel that there is value in helping the newbie by narrowing the choices so that they can at least be more focused. After all, not all the LFSs listed will have good fish at the same time and when a fellow forumer notices some good fish at certain LFSs at THIS point in time, it really makes sense for him to let others know about it.
The world of the tropical fish hobbyist is really a 'selfish' one most of the time - from breeders to brokers to the hobbyist - everyone seems to have something to hide.
Usually those who 'talk' a lot are those who really don't know very much...
But this is only my opinion ( formed after a few decades feeling frustrated !)
And likely to stir a hornets nest!

[The Matrix]

It is the job of moderators/administrators to be fair ie directing newbies to a long list of LFS when they ask for advice re where to go to get good fish.

Guys, xxx got new ranchu, yyy got new pearl ... quick quick go see.

How does a moderators/administrators know where got good fish ? The lfs called them up telling them to post something ? No way ! IS IT fair to say that if HB do not know where to direct newbies is not doing his job ? Quite hurting isn't it.

It is like when you ask someone what they would like to eat when at a hawker centre and they say 'anything will do' - might as well not have asked in the first instance!

They have no preferences or not in a hurry to decide. As such, buy anything ! Unless u rephrase the question and ask again, would you like fishball noodle or chicken rice ? What would be the outcome ?

Therefore I certainly feel that there is value in helping the newbie by narrowing the choices so that they can at least be more focused. After all, not all the LFSs listed will have good fish at the same time and when a fellow forumer notices some good fish at certain LFSs at THIS point in time, it really makes sense for him to let others know about it.

HB very free, everyday call up all the lfs to ask them got fish or not. A lot of time it depends on the users here to pass on information. However, what would have happen between seeing the fishes at lfs to the "SEND" key after typing the message ? Furthermore, with vast different level of appreciation among the people here, it will be even tougher to understand what the poster's saw.

In fact, on many occasions, someone mentioned good fish at xxx .... sure to have someone else don't take lunch also rush all the way to see and end up seeing junks.

The world of the tropical fish hobbyist is really a 'selfish' one most of the time - from breeders to brokers to the hobbyist - everyone seems to have something to hide.

hahahahaha ... of COURSE !

Usually those who 'talk' a lot are those who really don't know very much...
But this is only my opinion ( formed after a few decades feeling frustrated !)
And likely to stir a hornets nest!

who har, who har ?

[CP]

Knowing which shop carries quality fish is one thing,having the priority the select from new shipment is a totally different ball game.
Some hobbyists offer to transport the shipment from airport to the shop for free just to have the privelage to be the first ones to select.
You have to accept the fact that owners of LFS will reserve the best fish for their core customers.
And in these instances many customers just confirm the purchase over the phone without even looking at the fishes.Of course the confidence and trust the customers have with the owners is not overnight and the owners deserve their due credit.
So the key word to obtaining good fish - LOBANG!

[square_guy]

It is the job of moderators/administrators to be fair ie directing newbies to a long list of LFS when they ask for advice re where to go to get good fish.
It is however not a practical answer.
It is like when you ask someone what they would like to eat when at a hawker centre and they say 'anything will do' - might as well not have asked in the first instance!
Therefore I certainly feel that there is value in helping the newbie by narrowing the choices so that they can at least be more focused. After all, not all the LFSs listed will have good fish at the same time and when a fellow forumer notices some good fish at certain LFSs at THIS point in time, it really makes sense for him to let others know about it.

dude, HB has already listed down a list of LFS. If you want to find good fish, go to every shops in the list every week continuously. simple as that.

no one will ever know when a shop has good fishes. and even if the shop has 1 or 2 nice ones, would the newbie be able to pick it up without assistance? if the "newbie" knows how to pick a really good fish, would it still be around if someone with comparable knowledge was there earlier (and shared to us that the shop has good fishes) ?

dun be so greedy, HB has already done what he can do.

[HappyBuddha]

I'm now so confused.

[leogon]

How does a moderators/administrators know where got good fish ? The lfs called them up telling them to post something ? No way ! IS IT fair to say that if HB do not know where to direct newbies is not doing his job ? Quite hurting isn't it.

If you bothered to read my reply properly, what I said was that it is fair for moderators/admin to list many LFSs. This will avoid ulterior motives or personal gain.
Individual contributors,however, would do a great service if they can tell others where there are good fish at the moment.
Nobody ever insinuated that HB wasn't doing his job.

[mountain]

I'm now so confused.

sayang sayang .. i know u 2 weeks no have eat fresh eggs liao .. i still have a couple of Size A fresh eggs .. pass u some .. sayang ..

This post has been edited by mountain: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:30 am

[leogon]

They have no preferences or not in a hurry to decide. As such, buy anything ! Unless u rephrase the question and ask again, would you like fishball noodle or chicken rice ? What would be the outcome.

What our friend asked for was to see 'solid' SV .... certainly he knows what he wants, so shouldn't someone help him by being more specific as to where he can go? If he had asked to see any goldfish, then a long list of LFS would have be the appropriate answer.

HB very free, everyday call up all the lfs to ask them got fish or not. A lot of time it depends on the users here to pass on information.

That is what I just did!!

who har, who har ?

Nothing personal...