Effects Of Market Prawns On Goldfish, Splitted from 1347 Options

[mrchoco]

does it pollute the water badly?

[YLD]

your results indicated that 6 weeks on market prawn feeding will

- improve the width/thickness of the fish
- bulk up the belly depth
- no improvement in color
- improve in wen growth

Anything else changed or unchange ? photo hard to see ...

how about the size ? did it grow a tiny bit ?

hmmm ... since u got a 4ft tank, and min 50L per fish, u got another 2-4 fish more in your tank. Any improvement in these few ? Or similar type of observation ?

Around 3 weeks not 6.

I dun really notice in colour improvement.

No other changes noted at this point of time.

For the rest of the occuptants:
-the other ranchu grow in body size but head growth insignificant improvement.
-dragon eye: show significant growth
-no records for above claims

The results may varies and not generic. But im quite confidence Mp will improve general growth.

[YLD]

YLD, how do u feed the mp? chopped to pieces? or just peeled them and throw them into the water and let the fish nibble them?
how about the poos? what color and is it chunky?

Deshell the MP, wash THOROUGHLY, cut into small bits, store in freezer.

During feeding, I simply throw bits by bits into the water. Jus take care dun throw too much as goldfish is very greedy.

Didnt really take note of the poos.

[YLD]

does it pollute the water badly?

nitrite and ammonia tests all within "healthy" range, except nitrate is around 30ppm.

[YLD]

I don't think that it can be concluded from the above experiment that MP can do so many things so well.
As Ranchus grow, with reasonable rearing skill, it would be natural for growth in the head, body and colour intensity.

I have no doubts this so called experiments is not very accurate or convincing.

Bro leogon, if you could spare some time pls read post#8. I mentioned some worries of stunt growth.

Also, i wonder between 1)MP, live tubiflex and blood worm, frozen blood worm and tofu and 2)all type of dry food such as pellets. which class is more digestable by the goldfish?

[Seacucumber]

why dun u try those small freshwater prawns?? just catch, deshell and feed....

[sheringam]

why dun u try those small freshwater prawns?? just catch, deshell and feed....

u mean catch those alive small feeder prawns, deshell and feed?

can buy those frozen prawns which are already deshell to feed the goldfish?

[leogon]

I have no doubts this so called experiments is not very accurate or convincing.

Bro leogon, if you could spare some time pls read post#8. I mentioned some worries of stunt growth.

Also, i wonder between 1)MP, live tubiflex and blood worm, frozen blood worm and tofu and 2)all type of dry food such as pellets. which class is more digestable by the goldfish?

I find it very perplexing trying to figure out which of the commonly used foods is actually the best.
I am sure that each of the different types of pellets, bloodworms, tubifex, flakes etc have their own success stories and I remember reading a thread about a bro using Hikari Lionhead and his ranchu grew at a phenomenal rate and looked very healthy. A prominent American Ranchu breeder has also given it his thumbs up. On the other hand, some others have totally given up on it saying it tends to result in bloated stomachs and will only use Hikari wheatgerm as it appears to be more digestible altho I think the protein content is lower so it is often combined with BW which supposedly has a high protein content ( esp in BKK ). On the other hand, there has been some literature that claims frozen BW contain mainly water and that the protein content may not be as high as claimed. I really do not know how accurate this info is but I do know that BW should be in the goldfish diet ( but not exclusively) as they are probably good for intestinal function and to avoid constipation. I know of Discus breeders who feed frozen BW only and guess what - some curse/swear that BW makes their fish thin and not grow to a big size while others end up with gigantic discus. Again, difficult to verify as one is not there all the time to watch and also there are too many variables which could have affected the outcome.
There - are you sufficiently confused???
I still think it is best to feed a few different types of food to allow the fish to benefit from varied and balanced diet.

[Chinmo]

can try hirkari frozen MYSIS.. it's a small shrimps, clean and steralized. Maybe dif goldfish have dif requirements? just like humans.... got tall, short, fat, thin, big size, small size..... just ensure they get mix diet for healthy growth can liao, jus my point of view

[YLD]

I find it very perplexing trying to figure out which of the commonly used foods is actually the best.
I am sure that each of the different types of pellets, bloodworms, tubifex, flakes etc have their own success stories and I remember reading a thread about a bro using Hikari Lionhead and his ranchu grew at a phenomenal rate and looked very healthy. A prominent American Ranchu breeder has also given it his thumbs up. On the other hand, some others have totally given up on it saying it tends to result in bloated stomachs and will only use Hikari wheatgerm as it appears to be more digestible altho I think the protein content is lower so it is often combined with BW which supposedly has a high protein content ( esp in BKK ). On the other hand, there has been some literature that claims frozen BW contain mainly water and that the protein content may not be as high as claimed. I really do not know how accurate this info is but I do know that BW should be in the goldfish diet ( but not exclusively) as they are probably good for  intestinal function and to avoid constipation. I know of Discus breeders who feed frozen BW only and guess what - some curse/swear that BW makes their fish thin and not grow to a big size while others end up with gigantic discus. Again, difficult to verify as one is not there all the time to watch and also there are too many variables which could have affected the outcome.
There - are you sufficiently confused???
I still think it is best to feed a few different types of food to allow the fish to benefit from varied and balanced diet.

Good summary. Thank you.

I always think balance diet is ideal until Bro Geert mentioned he feed his TV ranchu with JRL only. With 3 weeks of feeding MP to my very slow growing ranchu, it bulked up significantly. Im starting to wonder perhaps fishy themselves have their "preferance" food or their system is able to digest certain food better???

Pls dun get me wrong im not saying balance diet is not good or whatever. Jus that my very slow growing ranchu did not directly benefited from this diet.

[desireless]

One more question. Have you been feeding MP EXCLUSIVELY? Meaning, no other food but MP only to achieve that result.

[HappyBuddha]

So, HB, want to help the rest of us??

I'd be happy to (no pun intended) especially to settle it once and for all. But the task is daunting as you mentioned there are too many variables. I'll just try to reduce them as much as I can.

The problem is right now I only have a school of Ryukins from the same spawn to pick out and run the experiement on. However, I'm sure most bros here wants to know if MP can increase the size of ranchu's headgrowth/cheeks but Ryukin does not have this much sought after characteristics.

So I'll have to put the experiment on hold until I have a new spawn of Ranchus.

[HappyBuddha]

I propose anyone interested to just give MP a try on their own ranchus. Afterall, there seems to be some benefits as mentioned by YLD yet no mention of any harmful side-effects. Just take some pics of the fish now and compare them later. The result won't be conclusive scientifically per se, but at least you will know if MP is good for your setup/stock.

[YLD]

One more question. Have you been feeding MP EXCLUSIVELY? Meaning, no other food but MP only to achieve that result.

around 2-3 times of MP feeding for early morning and night. The rest of feeds are lionhead pellets. As i mentioned before, the lionhead has very very little effect on this particular ranchu.

[YLD]

why dun u try those small freshwater prawns?? just catch, deshell and feed....

I find it too troublesome as these live prawn u mentioned, i presumed, are not able to survive too long. Who know this live prawn might provide even better protein.