Goldfish Stopped At Thailand Custom Options

[CHLeong]

My two cents on this issue about buying from thailand.

If you go through similar postings about how to buy from thailand you'll noticed only newbies asked them. 

Oldies don't.

Just look around RG; how many chio chio oldies' goldfish are privately imported by them?  None.

Most if not all newbies don't even know how to select a ranchu.  So after all the hussles of importing them privately, everyone here gets a good laugh when we see their special ranchu!  

Enjoy the relaxing holiday trip soaking in their culture instead of wasting your time fishing something you don't even know how to appreciate fully yet.

Very strong words, please don't run down on newbie but guide them.

Generally when the fishes are left in the LFS or Clubs for public, it would have gone through tiers of the farm owner--->LFS owner---> "kaki" ----> public.

I always say these "Mmm..nice fish...but the next time look for these features.." and at LFS if I notice newbie..."I would tell them...here...this is a nice fish". and obviously with disapproval look from the owner.

Let newbie ask and you guide. My nephew tell me..."That is no stupid question". If a newbie knows less, be it if he buys here, are the oldies going to laugh at them?

Explain the reasons why it's better to buy from LFS here and the problem getting overseas. This is a better approach.

[Allan]

Very strong words, please don't run down on newbie but guide them.

I guess the exchange rate is very favorable and my two cents worth more than they really are. Sorry about the strong words nevertheless.

Generally when the fishes are left in the LFS or Clubs for public, it would have gone through tiers of  the farm owner--->LFS owner---> "kaki" ----> public.

The very same tier also exists in bangkok. If anything, the thai local kakis stand a better chance in landing a good fish since they can be there daily, or have worked up a good relationship with the Lfs owner than you as a visiting tourist. So your chances of buying a good ranchu is as slim as when you try your luck locally.

Thai fishes sold locally are no difference from those you buy directly in thailand. Sure, there's a markup but that's not a crime especially when the importers has taken on the risks to import.

MOST importantly, just how many ranchus do you need that you need to source them cheaply (by cutting the middleman and go direct)?

Browse through local LFS on weekends with your family and friends. With luck (and skills), you can pick up a winner for a song. That's part of the fun in keeping goldfish; to hunt and slowly build up your prized collection -- not waste your hard earned vacation whacking cheap fishes like a typical kiasu newbies S'porean!

[CHLeong]

I guess the exchange rate is very favorable and my two cents worth more than they really are.    Sorry about the strong words nevertheless.

My apologies to all I term "newbie" and "oldie".

MOST importantly, just how many ranchus do you need that you need to source them cheaply (by cutting the middleman and go direct)? 

This is an assumption.

Browse through local LFS on weekends with your family and friends.  With luck (and skills), you can pick up a winner for a song.  That's part of the fun in keeping goldfish; to hunt and slowly build up your prized collection -- not waste your hard earned vacation whacking cheap fishes like a typical kiasu newbies S'porean!

Yes, the hunting and raising goldfish is truly the joy of this hobby. So should the hunt be restricted to Singapore only? Another strong word for those on vacation and hunted..."Kiasu S'porean"? For the gentleman who's fishes was confiscated by the thai authority please do not feel hurt by the remark, just enjoy your hobby.

[white horse T1]

Yes, the hunting and raising goldfish is truly the joy of this hobby. So should the hunt be restricted to Singapore only?

leong;
u still cannot catch what ve transpired ah.
a holiday should be a holiday. just go and enjoy. if enjoyment is derived from goldfish hunting, no problem, it is a personal decision.

seriously for those who ve gone thru' this "exercise", it is not really worth the while unless
a. u seriously know what u looking for
b. and what u want in a goldfish
c. and that the source must be there in country X
d. and that it is not available in Spore .
e. and that one annot afford it in Spore.
f. and it is worth the immigration trouble and risk during transportation.

Notice i put "And" from (a) to (b),

[Jos Nana]

Once a certain level of skill is reached, nothing at Chatjuchat will appeal to you. When you see nice & good show quality goldfish that are being brought , hand carried back from LOS, it is definitely not bought from Chatjuchat.

Want to buy good Thai goldfish, you must prepare to pay thru your nose too. Dun expect Real good Thai sideview fishes to be cheap either.

Try ask Seah of Aquatic, did he buy from chatjuchat ? His fishes to some of the more advance guys here are already considered not good enough.

As to not to discourage newbies, well look at from another point of view, We are helping them to save their bahts for better use .....probably Arh Nam..... hehehe...Just kidding

Learn to keep goldfish well first la...or if really want to bring something back bring betta lor...

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[CHLeong]

leong;
u still cannot catch what ve transpired ah.....
....f. and it is worth the immigration trouble and risk during transportation.

Notice i put "And" from (a) to (b),

Yes, these input of yours is good. Those who has shared their experience with visit and purchase overseas is goind a great favour for hobbist.

Rgds

CHLeong

[GF Lover]

As the saying goes "Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder". I went to a "LFS" with a " ranchu kaki" to see TVR. There was a tub with 3 Thai TVR. I love the TVR because I find the tails and fins short. My kaki on the other hand did not like it saying that it is too short for his liking.

Let me relate to you a true incident some 10 years ago. My wife usually buys those ladies magazine. On one of those occasion while answering nature's call and whiles sitting on my "throne". I saw one of those magazine and took it to read and there was this section on "Dear ????" where you ask for advice.
Query 1 was a girl asking the "Dear ????" how to make her breast bigger?

Some many queries down and I would say Query 2 was another girl asking the "Dear ????" how to reduce her breast size?

Let us enjoy our goldfish regardless of the "standards" set by AJRC or LFS etc. If you love it and can afford it, just buy it. I love my TVR fully red, right up to its tail and fins. Some will prefer it half red half white. Some even completely white.

Even in Japan there is this AJRC and the "opposition group" of Uno ranchu. Are you wrong if you prefer the Uno ranchu to those set by AJRC. Are you wrong if you like the Chinese lionhead. I have seen some very solid Chinese Lionhead at Blue Aquarium.

[pepsi73]

I put up this notice is to let others newbies to note that this can't be ever happened again to get fishes from oversea but who know I got so many so call "oldies" giving all the "strong words" comment. very disappointed with all the "oldies" but thanks to ChLeong.
I wonder will any more newbies be dare to write any more things again. I will think twice too.....since so many discouraging "oldies" around.......

[Jos Nana]

This is a discussion board. You would have notice those "oldies" that you prefer to call them including myself did not act solitarily. This inself shows that we did not brag out of nothing. Its mere words from experience not just mainly for you but for others who have this thought of bringing in fishes from Thailand.

Which would you prefer ?

1. A forum which simply post condolenecs and regrets, share your lost and sympathised with your plight while those with experience keep quiet letting others continue to venture into this not worthwhile thought of bringing sub standrad goldfish from Chatcujat ?

OR

2. A forum which gets real and voices of experience comes in to lend advises on the viability and the proper and legal way of doing do so(by WHTan), so that others who has this thought will think twice or know the proper way to do so ?

[Allan]

My apologies to all I term "newbie" and "oldie". 
This is an assumption. 
Yes, the hunting and raising goldfish is truly the joy of this hobby. So should the hunt be restricted to Singapore only? Another strong word for those on vacation and hunted..."Kiasu S'porean"? For the gentleman who's fishes was confiscated by the thai authority please do not feel hurt by the remark, just enjoy your hobby. 

 

The kiasu Singaporean phenomena is well documented and actually I'm one of them too. Sad but true -- go overseas of course must grab cheap cheap things mah. Nothing wrong with what ... but alamak, want to grab also must respect other people's rules and regulations lor -- kenna confiscated and actually expect sympathy ah? Got sala boh?

So instead of writing lame posting to comfort the 'victim' , RafflesGoldian tells other newbies it's NOT worth their while to do it -- it's then your own prerogative to probe further on the reasoning behind it -- do not expect spoon feeding. The forum loses its flavour if there's no exchange of ideas afterall.

[desireless]

Another strong word for those on vacation and hunted..."Kiasu S'porean"? For the gentleman who's fishes was confiscated by the thai authority please do not feel hurt by the remark, just enjoy your hobby.

Why should anyone feel hurt? That "Kiasu" is a term generally used. Not targetting at anyone or the gentleman who's fish were confisticated.

I put up this notice is  to let others newbies to note that this can't be ever happened again to get fishes from oversea but who know I got so many so call "oldies" giving all the "strong words" comment. very disappointed with all the "oldies" but thanks to ChLeong.
I wonder will any more newbies be dare to write any more things again. I will think twice too.....since so many discouraging "oldies" around.......

I cannot follow why you could have felt so disappointed over the comments made by the oldbirds. If you have not raised the issue, there will not be some informative post which Tan has posted: http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.ph...indpost&p=20934

I know your good intention in bringing up this issue. But as part of discussions, there are bound to be encouraging and discouraging comments. There HAS TO BE REASONS WHY some things are so discouraged by oldbirds. Are you able to catch the flow of this disccussion here? It narrows down to how you take advices, even the discouraging ones.

On a more personal note. I have told you over MSN Messenger before your trip that you need to find a place in the airport area where you can declare your fishes before you can cross the Thai custom, although I wasn't able to tell you where exactly the place is that time. You should already have seen this coming, shouldn't you? As I have mentioned before somewhere in another thread, hobbyists/newbies are NOT entirely ignorant. It is always "that something else"...

[GF Lover]

I put up this notice is  to let others newbies to note that this can't be ever happened again to get fishes from oversea but who know I got so many so call "oldies" giving all the "strong words" comment. very disappointed with all the "oldies" but thanks to ChLeong.
I wonder will any more newbies be dare to write any more things again. I will think twice too.....since so many discouraging "oldies" around.......

I have actually hand carry a pair of ranchu from HK to Singapore on an SQ flight.

[CHLeong]

......If you go through similar postings about how to buy from thailand you'll noticed only newbies asked them. Oldies don't

Most if not all newbies don't even know how to select a ranchu. So after all the hussles of importing them privately, everyone here gets a good laugh when we see their special ranchu! ...

.... kenna confiscated and actually expect sympathy ah?  Got sala boh?   
 
So instead of writing lame posting to comfort the 'victim' ,...

  The forum loses its flavour if there's no exchange of ideas afterall.

Exactly! This forum is for exhange of ideas but look at the statements you have made so far..

First, you made a judgement that only "newbie" asked about buying from Thailand and oldies don't...Are stereotyping people here in the forum?
You also said that they don't know how to select a ranchu and a good laugh at them...Is this an encouragement for new hobbist?
Then you further add "kenna confiscated...got sala boh". Are you advising?

As for lame posting to comfort victim...its a directed "hit" and getting a little too personal.

So, is this helping?

Rgds
CH Leong

[CHLeong]

Why should anyone feel hurt? That "Kiasu" is a term generally used. Not targetting at anyone or the gentleman who's fish were confisticated.

"Kiasu" is a remark at someone's behaviour and it is not a positive word, agree? Someone may be hurt so best to avoid.

Rgds
CH Leong

[CHLeong]

I have actually hand carry a pair of ranchu from HK to Singapore on an SQ flight.

Well, happy for you but this is in conflict to what has transpired so far here so far.

Mmm....

Rgds
CH Leong