Green Water Kept Fishes Options

[The Matrix]

so simple meh ...

[desireless]

so simple meh ... 

Agree. Like you say... where got so easy? There are still plenty of Green Water issues that are yet to be ventured and more importantly, yet to be documented.

Since there are so many "top secrets" in goldfish keeping which cannot be told to the public, one alternate way of learning is to go through forums where forumers can post their experience, and then hopefully learn from their successes and failures.

[CP]

so simple meh ... 

In life, it is usually easy to do one thing,but very difficult to excel.

It is easy to pass an examination but difficult to score a distinction.

It is easy to pick up a game of ping pong but difficult to master it to a high level.

Green water to me is simply cultivate it once, and seed it subsequently during the water changes.Its that easy.No fanciful filtration system.But beyond this there may be tonnes of info and fine tuning to be learnt or discovered.I dont know.

I hope it is that simple for life is already complicated enough.

[The Matrix]

hmmmm 2 replies, just 1 to answer .... cp, the basic is "show me your fish" ... the true meaning is yet to be discovered. feel deep in your heart, think of the past 2 weekends. dun need to say it out, becos words not able to describe it. just feel it.

[desireless]

Yeah... feel it. The past 2 weeks probably give a lot of local outdoor green water practitioners some harsh lessons. Big ponds or small ponds probably had some big-time or small-time tragics....

But regardless of what happened, most important is the lesson learnt. And better still, be able to document what you observe and the possible causes.

It is easy to tell the benefits and disadvantages of green water. But it takes a lot more to tell what situations will consitute to what kind of outcomes. That's the fun of using green water, probably

[gold2dee]

Even though he does not use green water, there are plenty of algaes in his tubs for his ranchus to feast on 24hrs a day.

If it is the wall algae that helps in goldfish color enhancement which produce equally good results as compared to green water, then is there still a need to use green water? Do u think it might be better to cultivate wall algae instead since keeping goldfish in clear water has the advantage that the goldfish can be seen?

[desireless]

Those are 2 different kind of algae and they have different benefits for for your fishes.

Even if they have the same mechanism to remove nitrate from your water, given a 4 feet tank with same load, the amount of wall algae do not possess enough 'strength' to remove the nitrate from the tank totally as compared to if you fill it up with Green Water.

It is still how you reason out yourself using clear water or green water. Striking a balance between how you want your fish to turn out to be and your desire to see them.

[gold2dee]

Performing 100% water changes every 4 or 5 days if using wall algae just like what Geert is doing (Im not sure whether he remove those algae as well when he perform those 100% water changes). His goldfish turn out to be excellent in color.

If u r implying that keeping goldfish in green water will result in better headgrowth, color (which i agree too) etc.. then how did Geert goldfish acheive equally good result without using green water?

[desireless]

Please note that I am NOT implying that the method with clear water with wall algae is NO GOOD. There are still hobbyists who use this method with good result. If you can be so zealous and discipline to change water every 4-5 days, then perhaps yes, you can have the benefits of both camps. But those are not really the only things that Geert have done to achieve the standards of his ranchus. Use the same zealousness to search on Geert's past posts. There are many in which he mentioned about feeding blood worm, JRL, etc and how he manages his water to give optimum environment for his fishes.

The benefits of green water can be found here. And the pictorial proof is found in this topic. And one thing that that CP did not mentioned, is that with green water, he can afford to feed cheap pellets with Automatic Feeder and leaves his fish unattended for as long as the pellets/batteries last. Even so, no worry for food issue as there is abundance of it in the green water itself.

I manage to convince myself with a "no" to "Do I need to admire/see my fishes EVERYDAY?". So knowing the benefits of green water, which I keep my fishes in, I rotate 2 of them every 2-3 months, so that I still have 2 to admire in my only 4feet display tank at home.

[gold2dee]

I recall that he dont use bloodworms. Only JRL. Didnt do anything to his water, not even adding any anti-chlorine to it. Only using heavily aerated (to remove chlorine) aged water. What he did is what green water users are doing except that he performs 100% water changes while we seed back 10-20% green water. Craig perform 100% water changes as well and feed his goldfish JRL. His goldfish color wasnt that good until he removes those "shades" and allow more sunshine to pass thru resulting in wall algae in his tubs.

Judging from Craig goldfish house article, it seems that JRL doesnt seem to play a big part in color enhancement of goldfish.

I tried the clear water method few days back but the goldfish smell is so foul that i gave up. I still prefer the green water which has this flora scent .

[desireless]

Sorry, I did not phrase myself well enough. Yes, Geert mentioned before that he does not use BW.

But he did mention 3 types of food and their uses:

For Bulkiness - JRL
For Headgrowth - BW
For colour, wen and scales- Algae

All these (which you would want to achieve with your ranchus) can be compensated by green water, was what I was trying to say.

[gold2dee]

Yes, he also did mention to groom a goldfish, one has to observe it everyday so as to determine what to feed for the day or not to feed at all. I guess that might be the reason why he chose clear water over green water.

This post has been edited by gold2dee: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 9:49 pm

[CP]

A further update on my $10 cheapo ranchus reaping the benefits of green water.

Here's how they looked like back in July and Sept 05:
http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.ph...opic=2408&st=30



Here's how some of them looked like today:

[CP]

My favourite cheapo ranchu:

Jul 05 (swimming at top):




Aug 05:




Oct 05:



In action at 2nd Nat Ranchu Comp Jan 06:




Currently, May 06:

[goldrush]

Welcome to our CULLTURED CLUB

Your little boy, Geogre here would be extremely proud to have you as an honorary member.you have culltivate it well.Unfortunately you are not exhibiting it at the coming show??????


3 Cheers to cp

Here's a drum of CULLSBERG for you

Remember :IT IS PART OF THE GAME........