2nd National Ranchu Competition 2006, Further Discussion Options

[white horse T1]

VRC

for curosity sake, what are the do/don't if the participants see that his/her fish is unwell (i.e could he/she add medication like salt , oxycure, yellow powder or what not? could he/she request for fresh water change or add home brought water?)

and what grounds will he have the right to remove the fish if it is deemed in critical health despite following the preparation regime.

[top_view_ranchu]

SV kakis only ??
What about TVRs?So many discussions over the past year, how to appreciate TVR, how to select TVR,how to breed TVR.........now's the chance for your showcase.

David, as a moderator in TVR discussion and local breeder, you must lead the way...........

Ah Lau,
Thanks for the big arrow!

I'm personally surprise with the slow and lacking of interest over TVR cat here? : We've seen many beautiful fish throughout the year, and I suppose everyone is expecting a good number from RG. Moreover, look who's the judge! I already planning for a nice cosy place for our POT of welcome COFFEE! :

As for my own keeping, sad to say, none is of show quality!
Anyway, frankly, I do not feel comfortable with the grouping by size. When I tell some that my Tosai in general are about 12cm, they claim their's are much smaller. Looking at the grouping, I even have 1 Tosai that will be categorised as an Oya?
My self bred 3 months old babies will probably end up in the Nisai cat by then, which in term is not wrong since they are born in 2005, but then, why is there a Junior Tosai and Tosai Cat? :

Above are strictly my personal opinion and I'm not speaking on behalf of RG.

Regards,
David Hou

[VRC]

VRC

for curosity sake, what are the do/don't if the participants see that his/her fish is unwell (i.e could he/she add medication like salt , oxycure, yellow powder or what not?  could he/she request for fresh water change or add home brought water?)

and what grounds will he have the right to remove the fish if it is deemed in critical health despite following the preparation regime.

HELLO WHITE HORSE T1,

Like last competition, we will prepare and check the water for every participating fish.
As mentioned in the rules and regulations, the participants MUST use this prepared water. Else it is a big mess if everyone start doing these and that during the competition. And the judges will have hard time evaluating fish in different water colors! We need a control here.

Like last competition we did. We spotted about 2 to 3 fish were pretty bad condition. Immediately we called the owners to come and take the fish back for urgent treatment.

Even the condition turns up to be very serious during the show, the releasing of fish will still need to go through the orgainsers and the judges for final decision.
I hope you can understand what we trying to do for the competition.

Thanks for your valid question.

VRC

This post has been edited by VRC: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 1:21 pm

[The Matrix]

Well done David ! Now u see the problem. Give your fish a try lah. Show grade or not, let the show decide.

But since it's Jan 2006, any tosai now will be nisai. Not wrong leh. I would think most this year fish will be around 14-16cm by then. So competiting in the Nisai class should not be a real problem. With so many Ishikawa-san, Kashino-san, Mondem-san and Yatomi fish imported this year, I would say this show will be interesting and a good show down in nisai category.

Well, let see any of those last year 5 winning fish of each cat entering the show, if they intend to look for the 1st Singapore Ranchu Yokozuna.

[CP]

The issue of classification by length instead of age was hotly debated last year;
http://www.rafflesgold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2003

Yeah, with me in the fray,arguing until the cows come home........(come to think of it,I did not even take part in the TV category,so just plain kaypoh )In the end after the competition has ended it was proven that this method is one that suits our local condition better, taking into account the time of the competition and the so-called 'professionalism' of local hobbyists.No one cried foul,no one said it was unfair.

David,give it a try.For the fun of it.Or do you already have something in mind...

[mountain]

The rules are set. Pls follow as indicated by VRC. Don't go bumping around on actual day and claim in RG discussion says your fish should be competing in the other category. Like all competitions, the judging panels decision is final.

[The Matrix]

66 days to go and fish still growing. So whoever submitting make sure dun put wrong category. Unless u very sure yr fish won't grow further than the 3 size-limited top view category ...

Actually I also worry about the Cat A SVR entry. bo tai bo ji grow a bit more hit the Cat B ... then my fish become the smallest in the whole cat .... sian 1/2.

[CP]

In sports such as boxing and weightlifting, it is very common to find competitiors dieting so that they fall into the lighter category, or putting on extra weight if the heavier category has weaker opponents.Perhaps you can do the same for your fish?? Or maybe snip off its tail.

Anyway, from closing date to comp date there are still 5 weeks.Fish may still grow,obviously.So just leave to the organisers to re-categorise.

In fact,during last year's Cat A SV (3" up to tail joint), I do find my fish very small compared to others.I am not sure whether the organisers did re-categorise any fish, I felt that for borderline cases they actually leave it for the owner to declare the category; unless the difference is much too obvious.

[goldrush]

VRC

for curosity sake, what are the do/don't if the participants see that his/her fish is unwell (i.e could he/she add medication like salt , oxycure, yellow powder or what not?  could he/she request for fresh water change or add home brought water?)

and what grounds will he have the right to remove the fish if it is deemed in critical health despite following the preparation regime.

I think the onus is upon the participant to ensure that the contesting fish should be healthy or appear healthy within normal physical examination.And the organizing committee reserve the rights to reject and disqualify any suspected or doubtful candidates which may not meet the necessary physical requirements be it health or show prerequisites. In professional club shows and competitions ( koi or dog), there are qualified vets present to consult pertaining to health issue and also judging committee to ascertain a particular contestant in meeting the minimum requirement before benching is even allowed.

[VRC]

HELLO RAFFLESGOLD MEMBERS,

Thanks for your kind feedback.
And I would also like to express my sincere gratitude to the bro mountain for making the remarkable comment.

I like to highlight that this competition is meant for every Ranchu Hobbyist. Not VRC.
So who would be the biggest loser if this show is not able to carry out?

Nevertheless, We will definately listen to your comment and improve our system each time. As we go by, we shall improve gradually and our knowledge will be better.
Hence, we need active public participation so that this show can become beneficial to EVERYBODY.
I hope you can understand.

Stay tune for more exciting news.

VRC

[white horse T1]

many here have participated in a couple of comp before, could share what is the benching in procedure? i.e.
is it deposit fish at counter and then no hands/no see (other than public viewing time) until benching out?
what is done to acclimatise the fish to the tank water? is bag water discarded totally?
was tank water gradually added to bag to get the fish acclimatise first before introducing to tank? how abt PH difference if home water cannot be used, how to address this?

how abt benching out, is it just pour fish in bag and bye bye....

i must qualify that i never participate in any comp before, that;s why i am asking.

[The Matrix]

my experience hor ...

what is done to acclimatise the fish to the tank water? just float the bag and wait for temperature to stablise. but i did saw some just pour fish in. bench in 2 hours lah, so dun worry. unless come late then bo bian lor.

is bag water discarded totally? depends. usually i pour in but not letting in too much poos into the tank lah.

was tank water gradually added to bag to get the fish acclimatise first before introducing to tank? As above lor. up to individual. I do that.

how abt PH difference if home water cannot be used bo bian. pH is not the major concern lah, most of us keeping 7-8.5 or so, local water won't be much different lah. the worst is the aeration enough or not. put in a big fish and aeration machiam using a small pump die liao lah. I recalled someone actually brough his own battery operated pump ... very cute.

how abt benching out, is it just pour fish in bag and bye bye.... of course ! go home recondition the fish before releasing back to the tank. since yuhua hall is not airconditioned, not much worry about temperature shock. those show in aircon one, female fish very active laying eggs.

i must qualify that i never participate in any comp before, that;s why i am asking. heh heh ... fill up the form ... experience the fun.

[ranchu8]

Matrix, looks like you have a winner Ranchu in your avatar; how about a bigger shot? placing it for the competition?

[desireless]

haha... Let me help you.

There you are:

[goldrush]

Benching is procedure by which the ranchus that are to be entered into the show, are checked prior to going on display. The benching team will measure each fish checking it for obvious signs of disease or damage.They may photograph it for record. Each competition fish will then be entered into their respective size(length) and type(whether TVR or SVR). Benching may take time and in this instance, on the morning of the show itself.Perhaps VRC can allay the fears of potential exhibitors of what is to be expected at benching and whether the owners themselves are allowed to introduce their fish into their respective tanks or tubs or the fish are past to the benching team for the job.However owners must be present at the time of benching as no fish can be benched before the owners are identified and verified.After the necessary procedures are met,the owners are not allowed into the competition area to facilitate judging to commence.Your ranchus will be judged on their physical attributes by a panel of judges who are meticulous in carrying out this demanding role.So what are you waiting for..............Chiong ah