2nd National Ranchu Competition 2006, Further Discussion Options

[ranchu8]

wah ... power Ranchu ... thanks

[giorin]

Wow!!! Count down to competition!!! Thank you for the Vanda Ranchu Club.

[CP]

VRC,

Can you consider having more prizes in the SV category.There are only 2 Cats A & B as compared to 4 Cats in the TVR.Also, if i remember correctly,prizes are given up to 5th placing last year (this year only up to 3rd) and there were also consolation prizes as well.I am sure the prizes do not cost that much and furthermore I feel that having more prizes will encourage more entries.

Rgds
CP

[The Matrix]

Benching is procedure by which the ranchus that are to be entered into the show, are checked prior to going on display. The benching team will measure each fish checking it for obvious signs of disease or damage.They may photograph it for record. Each competition fish will then be entered into their respective size(length) and type(whether TVR or SVR).

sounds like u one of the committee leh ...

Even the big international show also ownself put fish in one. Noone dare to be responsible for damaging an entry especially a very very expensive one.

This post has been edited by The Matrix: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:43 pm

[The Matrix]

Matrix, looks like you have a winner Ranchu in your avatar; how about a bigger shot? placing it for the competition? 

wah ... power Ranchu ... thanks 

No power one lah ...

if this is one of the entry, then it will not be nice to put in a big pic. Geert is one of the judge, so I will have to respect all parties (potential competitors, judges and VRC) and maintain neutral till the benching in day.

Noone will have any winning fish till VRC read out the result.

This post has been edited by The Matrix: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:45 pm

[desireless]

sounds like u one of the committee leh ...

Even the big international show also ownself put fish in one. Noone dare to be responsible for damaging an entry especially a very very expensive one.

I think the bad experience (fish almost got stolen) by a bro here during the Fishlove competition last year leads to this decision to let the committee members handle competitors' fishes instead. Security issue lah

[VRC]

HELLO CP,

Thanks for your comment.
To be frank, We are still hoping to review the possiblilities of having top 5.

Let's see how the entries go.

Appreciate your kind patience and understanding.

VRC

[ranchu8]

No power one lah ...

if this is one of the entry, then it will not be nice to put in a big pic. Geert is one of the judge, so I will have to respect all parties (potential competitors, judges and VRC) and maintain neutral till the benching in day.

Noone will have any winning fish till VRC read out the result. 

like this, show a bit too much really looks power la

[goldrush]

sounds like u one of the committee leh ...

Even the big international show also ownself put fish in one. Noone dare to be responsible for damaging an entry especially a very very expensive one.

Me committee?????.hahahahaha

No no no.Just explaining what to expect at a competition but there are some modification and exception in the benching procedure which should be addressed to avoid unnecessary friction and misunderstanding.Perhaps a few questions will start the ball rolling.........
1)Are benching done on a first come first serve basis.We dont want a bottle neck scenario where everyone is excited to deposit their fish into their respective tank
aka kia su.
2)Are they allowed to float their bags in their tank/tub and how much time given
before releasing them .

Hope that I'm not asking for too much but just kaypoh around....

[VRC]

Me committee?????.hahahahaha

No no no.Just explaining what to expect at a competition but there are some modification and exception in the benching procedure which should be addressed to avoid unnecessary friction and misunderstanding.Perhaps a few questions will start the ball rolling.........
1)Are benching done on a first come first serve basis.We dont want a bottle neck scenario where everyone is excited to deposit their fish into their respective tank
aka kia su.
2)Are they allowed to float their bags in their tank/tub and how much time given
before releasing them .

Hope that I'm not asking for too much but just kaypoh around....    

HELLO GOLDRUSH,

I am not sure if you have witnessed how we did the bench in/out during the last competition. ORDERING and STRICT manner. It will be the same with some improvement that we have studied carefully.

No participants or public is allowed to be at the controlled area during bench in/out and judging.

Again, we need a very good control and co-operation to ensure that the operation can run smoothly.

VRC

[CP]

The venue for the competition,Yuhua CC, as seen from satellite.

[goldrush]

Target locked ,

Missiles Ready,

Await for your order Sir!

[The Matrix]

Hi VRC,

Would like to clarify some of your rules during benching in/out.

Handling :
If you do not allow participants to enter the controlled area, what are these controlled area ?

I absolutely agree on the no entry rule during judging and benching out. As for the benching in, would it be safer if the owner take care and be responsible of the fish instead of VRC ?

It might be a mess, but the owner knows the fish well and be able to know how long to acclimatize instead of someone with totally no knowledge of what to do. There are other ways to control the benching in instead of a total lock out.

If a fish is damaged, caused death by VRC handling, how would VRC respond ?

If VRC does not allow owner to put in fish personally, I would like to know the procedure of fish handling.

Tank condition :
VRC has mentioned the water in the tank will be 24 hours filled prior to the show. I would like to know what processes does VRC endorsed to ensure safe water condition ?


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[VRC]

Hi VRC,

Would like to clarify some of your rules during benching in/out.

Handling :
If you do not allow participants to enter the controlled area, what are these controlled area ?

I absolutely agree on the no entry rule during judging and benching out. As for the benching in, would it be safer if the owner take care and be responsible of the fish instead of VRC ?

It might be a mess, but the owner knows the fish well and be able to know how long to acclimatize instead of someone with totally no knowledge of what to do. There are other ways to control the benching in instead of a total lock out.

If a fish is damaged, caused death by VRC handling, how would VRC respond ?

If VRC does not allow owner to put in fish personally, I would like to know the procedure of fish handling.

Tank condition :
VRC has mentioned the water in the tank will be 24 hours filled prior to the show. I would like to know what processes does VRC endorsed to ensure safe water condition ?
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HELLO MATRIX,

Thanks for your questions and I will try to answer them.

Like the last competition, we have to ensure our officials who handle the fish are properly trained a couple of weeks before the competition day. And these officials that we have chosen are ranchu lovers. We will check the fish condition first...how long is the temperature adjustment needed?...how to hold and transfer the fish in a calm manner.…short observation after releasing the fish, etc.
BUT the participant is to FIRST ENSURE their fish is healthy and good to go for the competition. By STRICTLY following the rules of Thumb, I wonder whose fish would require so special attention.

For prior water preparation, other than the normal checks, we even take live fish to test the water condition beforehand. We welcome any better suggestion if you have for us.

We are also as particular as you like in handling these PRECIOUS pets. That is why we put up a note on how to prepare a fish for competition to minimize risk. I hope you can take some TIME to study our approach well. Else it is meaningless for us who try our best in organizing this show with such risk involved.
Everybody has to play their part. And I would also like to SUGGEST that you should read our Rules and Regulations again.

In fact the bench/in idea you gave will sure give lots of relief to VRC’s responsibilities. But it is not the point we wanted. We had studied the pros and cons that at this point of TIME, it is still safer to have VRC in control. Else it will take much much longer time to start the show and the competition area will be very messy and invites more rooms for errors to happen. Nevertheless, I did not disagree with your point. In fact we do hope we can follow the Japanese style, but we know it is not possible presently. I am looking forward to the “day”.

I hope you can gain some trust and confidence in the organizers who have done the last competition and the judges whom we also constantly seek advices and suggestions.

Appreciate and thanks for your points.

VRC

[The Matrix]

Thank you VRC. Probably that's the club stand on the show and the methology implemented. I will respect that, but not necessary follow.

Anyway, about the checks you have mentioned, what are these checks ? will the water be buffered and neutralising of chloramines ?

Just a suggestion, maybe VRC is doing so - do not put any live fish or anything to test the competition tank water used for putting the participant fish. do it with any other tank or pail or anything out of the display area. this will prevent any possible contamination.