Ranchu Lover's Grooming Method Options

[gohks]

Once I had a secret love
That lived within the heart of me
All too soon my secret love
Became impatient to be free……
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At last my heart's an open door
And my secret love's no secret anymore

Secret love(Doris Day)

I would imagine RL serenading us with the above classic song pertaining to his fish keeping
Perhaps RL has finally opened his secret door to us, sharing his experience of success in grooming, keeping and winning at every competition Give him a chance to render us with his original and proven rendition and let us not close the door upon something new, something that sounds bizarre and perhaps something out of the ordinary.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh secret squirrel

Agreed with doc. We are here to learn and share and the best way to acquire knowledge is to listen. If we always think our way is the "Best Known Method" and keep our door close, we will never improve. Moreover, there is nothing more to discuss about the conventional method and the only thing interesting to keep this forum discussion ongoing is something unorthodox "out of the box" discussion.
RL's way of grooming is interesting and I think we should give him a chance to explain before we shut him off. He may be stating facts or just fooling us, but he already provide a caveat upfront. All of us are mature and experience enough to judge whether he is serious or just BS with ill intention, and whether we will follow or try his method is also our sole decision.
Read his do's and don't again carefully and you will find the linkage between his personality/spirit and what he is doing. He may not be elaborative enough at the moment but do give him a chance to elaborate.

[desireless]

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RL's way of grooming is interesting and I think we should give him a chance to explain before we shut him off. He may be stating facts or just fooling us, but he already provide a caveat upfront.  All of us are mature and experience enough to judge whether he is serious or just BS with ill intention, and whether we will follow or try his method is also our sole decision.
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Halo Goh, I am surprised that you have misinterpreted the course of discussion.

If RL's posts are nothing more than a prank, it would have been deleted by moderators long ago. But because this is an interesting discussion, it was made a standalone topic. Unorthodox method is one thing, but if some things look questionable, it ought to be pointed out for elaboration.

Let's say something is incorrect. Someone spots it and ignores it. A newbie comes in to read about it, may be MISLED into believing that it is correct, because nobody says it is wrong. I hope you know what I mean. Apart from moderators, the more experienced members are also watch-guards against wrong practises and transmission of untrue information.

I see all the replies here as queries over his do's and don'ts. You mean there are posts which seem to you as shutting someone off? Please point out those posts and let me know. It shocks me a lot that someone has misunderstood this way.

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Read his do's and don't again carefully and you will find the linkage between his personality/spirit and what he is doing.  He may not be elaborative enough at the moment but do give him a chance to elaborate. 

Yeah. We are all waiting.

[Ranchu Lover]

Ok now!. Sorry for being quiet for a while. Had a very important job today and cannot afford the time to "lim kopi". Just came home from my job and very "shacked". I will try to answer your doubts as much as I can and maybe you will understand better.

1. I make use of 6 x 15 litres pails to age my water. I normally collect the tap water and drop in 3 crystals of "hypo" per pail. The water are kept for at least 12 hours under the sun. This will ensure that even the chloramine will all disappear. I use about 3 pails of water to flush the system. I have an over flow system that traps protein and will flush off the protein every time I top up the water in my system. I use a blue water scoope (the one use for bathing) to overflow the system everytime I visit my fish which will always happen in the morning and evening. In days where I have time to "lim kopi", then it will be more often. One more thing I forget is that I always make it a point to siphon off the "shit" from my tub every time I view my fish. That is a minimum of twice to five times a day.

2. I use an auto feeder (actually I have more than 10 auto feeder, I make use of the extra timing plug)). My auto feeder starts feeding at 5.30 am till 9.30 pm. Feeding interval is every hour. In between, I will feed them frozen bloodworm, brine shrimp and daphnia. That is more than 20 feeding per day.

3. I keep all my selected Tikus in my 2 ft glass tank. Why I did that is because they only cost me $1/- each for the smaller one and $2/- for the winning fish. If got problem, then it is a small investment lost. The rest of the Tikus are all in one of the 3 ft tub (about 60 pieces left). Have been selling them off to a LFS for $0.50 each.

4. I dont use aeration as in air bubbles. I do not deny that the OHF does cause the water to have some aeration.

Please understand that I am still a "beginner" and still learning and experimenting with different methods. My humble apologies for all who find my method bizzare and weird.

Word of caution. This works for me but might not work for someone else. In my 2 years of keeping goldfish, I have lost numerous fish.

[CyberET]

How does your overflow system trap protein? could you take a picture of the system?

[The Matrix]

Which means that "I don't change water" is completely not correct. You still siphone water away while clearing up the waste products and during any topping up of water. In such condition, the statement does not stand.

6x15L, or around 90L of water for this tank alone or the rest ? By any chance, do you know how much water you require to top up daily ... let's say on days where u dun have much kopi to lim.

Do you by any chance measure the water parameters of the "aged" water ?

Anyway, the amount of feeding is quite amazing. Do you do that to smaller fish or the same method for the bigger ones ? I would definitely like to see the result of such feeding after 6 mths.

Thanks for answering the queries on your busy schedule.

A pic of the entire setup will be benefical to the people reading the forum.

[square_guy]

RL,

Excellent! At least now there are more concrete stuff to talk about!

I can't add more to Matrix's or ET's posts; I too am very interested to know how your filtration system work given the humungous amount of feeding! Is it due to the protein trapper (I assume is a protein skimmer in some form)? A pic will speak a thousand words.

[Kinder]

VERY INTERESTING..........and given the fact you "siphon out the "shit" from the tub every time you view the fish. That is a minimum of twice to five times a day". Which is amazing, im sure you wouldn't mind taking some PICs for us.

PICTURES PLEASE!

This post has been edited by Kinder: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 9:57 am

[gohks]

I see all the replies here as queries over his do's and don'ts. You mean there are posts which seem to you as shutting someone off? Please point out those posts and let me know. It shocks me a lot that someone has misunderstood this way.
Yeah. We are all waiting. 

desireless
There are posts going to the extend of rubbishing his methods, frivolous and trying to fool all of us, before the contributor even have a chance to explain further (you know what I meant if you ref to previous posts). This sort of situation should be moderated before contributors are discouraged from sharing. Approach of listening first before questioning should be practice.

[gohks]

I am attaching a picture of the big brother with its younger cousins. All the fish are kept in my 2 ft glass tank with a humble OHF with no aeration. It will stay this way for many months to come.

RL,
How to ensure growth with the many fishes in a 2ft tank . You mean space can be compensated by heavy feeding and flushing. Again, please feel free to share

[volks]

Dear All,
I had just went to Ranchu Lover's house, what he had mentioned in the post is true and amazing fishes he have.
It is very encouraging to see his fishes, probably I am very new to goldfish keeping. But to me , his fishes are very nice and his method of keeping is not the "mainstream" posted in the forum.

Thanks, Ranchu Lover for sharing some skills with me.

[The Matrix]

Dear All,
I had just went to Ranchu Lover's house, what he had mentioned in the post is true and amazing fishes he have.
It is very encouraging to see his fishes, probably I am very new to goldfish keeping. But to me , his fishes are very nice and his method of keeping is not the "mainstream" posted in the forum.

Thanks, Ranchu Lover for sharing some skills with me.

So do you think you can "duplicate" the same effort ?

Ahhh ... new to keeping already know what is mainstream and not mainstream liao. What a good lesson ... what is mainstream then ?

[chochiss]

hey RL,

what's the sole purpose of water aging? besides, you've said that your fishes gets lots of sunlight by? seperating protein using OHF? will a protein skimmer work better?

[volks]

Hi Matrix,
I don't think I can duplicate his effort and not planning to...

Probably, I am wrong ... what I mean "mainstream" is what I had read so far in the forum that most people practice such as heavy volume change each time and within a short period of time.

[Ranchu Lover]

How does your overflow system trap protein? could you take a picture of the system?

I think on showing a picture of the protein skimmer, I rather not post it in the forum. If you like, you are welcome to visit my home to see it first hand.

Which means that "I don't change water" is completely not correct. You still siphone water away while clearing up the waste products and during any topping up of water. In such condition, the statement does not stand.

6x15L, or around 90L of water for this tank alone or the rest ? By any chance, do you know how much water you require to top up daily ... let's say on days where u dun have much kopi to lim.

Do you by any chance measure the water parameters of the "aged" water ?

Anyway, the amount of feeding is quite amazing. Do you do that to smaller fish or the same method for the bigger ones ? I would definitely like to see the result of such feeding after 6 mths.

Thanks for answering the queries on your busy schedule.

A pic of the entire setup will be benefical to the people reading the forum.

From what I understand from you guys is a 50%, 90% or 100% water change. What I believe in is to keep the water as constant as possible like very small amount of water change. If I have a choice in the future, I would prefer a constant flush of between 3% to 5% water flushing daily.

I use between 30 to 45 litres of "aged" water to flush the system.

All my fish undergo the same feeding schedule. As I have mentioned before from the smallest to the biggest, they are all kept in the same tub.

On the pictures, better visit my home for "kopi".

RL,

Excellent! At least now there are more concrete stuff to talk about!

I can't add more to Matrix's or ET's posts; I too am very interested to know how your filtration system work given the humungous amount of feeding! Is it due to the protein trapper (I assume is a protein skimmer in some form)? A pic will speak a thousand words.

My view is that it is very important to rid the system of the discharge from the fish ASAP. Waste from the gills, shit, body slime etc. all needs to be eliminated ASAP.

VERY INTERESTING..........and given the fact you "siphon out the "shit" from the tub every time you view the fish. That is a minimum of twice to five times a day". Which is amazing, im sure you wouldn't mind taking some PICs for us.

PICTURES PLEASE!

This system is being used extensively in Intensive farming methods. The only problem is that it will also build up the water current which is not suitable for goldfish keeping. Therefore, that is why I use the traditional siphon method.
My personal view is not how many fish in a tank/tub but how good is the water condition. The reason why fish stop growing is because of hormones build-up in the water. Hormones are protein. That is why it is very important to rid the system of protein.

hey RL,

what's the sole purpose of water aging? besides, you've said that your fishes gets lots of sunlight by? seperating protein using OHF? will a protein skimmer work better?

In Singapore, the entire water network system will be using chloramine to treat the water. When you use "hypo" what is left in the water is ammonia. By sunning the water, the formation of algae will rid the water of ammonia. That is why the pails that I use for aging water has lots of algae growth on its sides. For those who have visited me will notice that the pails that I use are transparent pails.

[desireless]

desireless
There are posts going to the extend of rubbishing his methods, frivolous and trying to fool all of us, before the contributor even have a chance to explain further (you know what I meant if you ref to previous posts).  This sort of situation should be moderated before contributors are discouraged from sharing.  Approach of listening first before questioning should be practice.

May I know which ones? Please SPECIFICALLY POINT THEM OUT. I have read this topic 4, 5 times and I cannot spot which post you are talking about. Most posters are seniors members. They have their reasons for making some points. Some may not appear as clear to you as they are to me. Quote the posts. So that the posters can elaborate. Quote them even if they are mine. Don't say "there are some". Point them out so that misunderstanding can be ironed out. At the end of the day, I do not want RG to be labelled as "unfriendly", "arrogant", "double standard", "domineering", etc. I do know some sick-minded characters* saying that to hurt RG's reputation.

Like Matrix said, this is an open forum. But being an open forum, when some misleading or wrong information is disseminated, there'll always be someone experienced enough to spot it and point it out.


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* Best of all, these 2-3 characters come here everyday. Learn their stuff, use the knowledge learnt here and make themselves heroes at some other forums. And at the same time continue to badmouth about RG. Simply nothing better to do in life.