Green Water In Bio-filter Setup, Is it possible? Options

[goldrush]

Bravo to Desireless


That is what I call constructive and informative dialogue
So certainly now there is some truth in ammonia being consumed by green water.Sorry I had subscribed to the old and obsolete belief that they thrive on light and high nitrates.But again as in science there are always conflicting findings and reports which are never concrete and certain.No wonder any findings need to evolve from a thesis,a theory,a principle before it becomes a law.That is perhaps why science can never surpass Art in many instances.

Now if what is reported holds true then wouldn’t be green water be a better Ammonia consumer in hours of low light than in sunny weather?
Shouldn’t we feed more towards the night fall as they switch from autotroph to heterotroph mode.?

[desireless]

If you have not raised this question, I would have accepted that belief without finding out why

Anyway, that was about the source of food for algae. As for when the uptake of this food source happens, there should be no dispute that it happens under ample light, in the day.

[white horse T1]

i am really impressed.

mana wu eng....... ) my only proof comes from the endorsement from the fishlove magazine, it says green water ok and works , the magazine also says the result is better than cw. lucky it is fishlove that say so not me.

[top_view_ranchu]

By the way, my experience with bio and green water : It's possible to maintain the green you want. Green will not collapse, and water change can be prolong to months.

[goldrush]

By the way, my experience with bio and green water : It's possible to maintain the green you want. Green will not collapse, and water change can be prolong to months.

Wow now I see more light at the end of this tunnel.Do you use sponge filter as bio or otherwise?
So does that mean you do not have do a complete water change but opt for a partial one to maintain the green intensity of your choice.And if so can you actually prolong the feeding beyond the 2pm mark as the resultant ammonia can be taken care off by the bio and indirectly enhances growth rate in the process?

[CyberET]

does prolong feeding really means enhanced growth rate?

if so, are there any disadvantages?

This post has been edited by CyberET: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:33 am

[gohks]

does prolong feeding really means enhanced growth rate?

if so, are there any disadvantages?

Well, my experience with this (since I feed alot) is it really depends on the fish. Some take it positively by gaining growth and bulk but some just grow too fat, or cannot grow (the weak ones)

So, my conclusion is better to feed more then not to feed, at least some will gain

[ranchu8]

By the way, my experience with bio and green water : It's possible to maintain the green you want. Green will not collapse, and water change can be prolong to months.

hi, does it mean no water change (except for maybe top ups) for months and water parameters are ok? how is this done pls?

[top_view_ranchu]

Wow now I see more light at the end of this tunnel.Do you use sponge filter as bio or otherwise?
So does that mean you do not have do a complete water change but opt for a partial one to maintain the green intensity of your choice.And if so can you actually prolong the feeding beyond the 2pm mark as the resultant ammonia can be taken care off by the bio and indirectly enhances growth rate in the process?

Hi Doc,
In my opinion, not sponge filter. Coral chip's a must! You just top up if water level reduces. Maintaining green intensity to your liking will be plenty of trial & error on the amount of fish or bio.
What 2pm mark? Not in my dictionary!

regards,
David Hou

hi, does it mean no water change (except for maybe top ups) for months and water parameters are ok? how is this done pls?

Hi Lawrence,
For months??? Why? Are you so busy, or lazy?
Parameters are only ok when you test and find it ok....
Btw, this is not a good method for those who are busy. Coz....will take a few months to achieve the correct combination and confirm bio kicked in!

regards,
David Hou

[ranchu8]

By the way, my experience with bio and green water : It's possible to maintain the green you want. Green will not collapse, and water change can be prolong to months.

err ... i thought you mentioned months, or typo?

[top_view_ranchu]

err ... i thought you mentioned months, or typo?

Yes, months! No mistake at all.
What I meant was, why wud YOU want to extend the water change to months?
I find changing water one of the most interesting part in the hobby! Or am I wrong?

[ranchu8]

Looks like we have
1. a moderator
2. who is avoiding simple genuine questions, in particular the latter

hi, does it mean no water change (except for maybe top ups) for months and water parameters are ok? how is this done pls?

and
3. raising green herring questions?

For months??? Why? Are you so busy, or lazy?
Parameters are only ok when you test and find it ok....
Btw, this is not a good method for those who are busy. Coz....will take a few months to achieve the correct combination and confirm bio kicked in!

Yes, months! No mistake at all.
What I meant was, why wud YOU want to extend the water change to months?
I find changing water one of the most interesting part in the hobby! Or am I wrong?

so, how do YOU do it pls if you are ok with sharing?and care to share any photo?

This post has been edited by ranchu8: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 8:38 pm

[goldrush]

When I wrote about biofilm in this first page of this topic few recognise the revolution it has caused in our human fraternities especially microbiological sciences,medical as well its pathological influences.Now the concept has spread to our aquatic keeping and pond culture.We were made to believe and still grasp upon the old belief that majority of the bacteria whether beneficial or non beneficial practically thrive only in biofilter.WRONG!

Let me refer all to this thread where biofilm is meticulously explained with pond culture in mind and why it is practically impossible to eradicate your BB even in green water .So they must co exist whether like it or not.It is just a matter of balance in this enclosed ecosystem

Here's the thread

http://www.mvangel.com/microbe/white.htm


good nite

[CHLeong]

When I wrote about biofilm in this first page of this topic few recognise the revolution it has caused in our human fraternities especially microbiological sciences,medical as well its pathological influences.Now the concept has spread to our aquatic keeping and pond culture.We were made to believe and still grasp upon the old belief that majority of the bacteria whether beneficial or non beneficial practically thrive only in biofilter.WRONG!

Let me refer all to this thread where biofilm is meticulously explained with pond culture in mind and why it is practically impossible to eradicate your BB even in green water .So they must co exist whether like it or not.It is just a matter of balance in this enclosed ecosystem

Here's the thread

http://www.mvangel.com/microbe/white.htm
good nite

Finally there is light, Doc, very good article and I hope everybody ready it.

We have to move along with science. Some old practice of goldfish keeping is not wrong but should we not continue to seek ways to improve our keeping?

[top_view_ranchu]

Finally there is light, Doc, very good article and I hope everybody ready it.

We have to move along with science. Some old practice of goldfish keeping is not wrong but should we not continue to seek ways to improve our keeping?

Looks like we have
1. a moderator
2. who is avoiding simple genuine questions, in particular the latter
and
3. raising green herring questions? so, how do YOU do it pls if you are ok with sharing?and care to share any photo?

Open your eyes BIG BIG!