Lighting Requirments For Indoor Setup, To maintain healthy goldfish colouration & wall algae Options

[wombatt]

If you can, you might want to consider setting up a temporary small tub outdoors to get the initial green water as its much easier and faster to get green water outdoors, not to mention that you can just rely on sunlight which is free plus the less stress on your fish as well. Just my two cents here

hi cheangv thats exactly what my intentions were in the begining. but the fung shui master says no. i had to get rid of my koi pond in the backyard earlier this year. the location of the pond colided with my astrological chart. very bad karma from what i understood. just gave up the reef thing. just not the same as goldfish and koi. i was told i can have as many tanks of fish i want in the garage :ubloodygood but nothing holding water around the house at all. its all bad for me :sad only one place in the house for the show tank. so hence the delima right now. i envy you guys in signapore and over in aisa. so many buatiful fishes and friendly bros with knowledge. here in the USA only maybe two mail order places with good goldfish. right now i have all tung hoi fish and some thai ranchus ordered from fish sempai in canada. extremely happy )

This post has been edited by wombatt: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:31 pm

[The Matrix]

another fengshui problem ... in USA ? that's weird.

6500K is best so far, as long as dun go beyond 10,000K.

U can use a general guideline of 0.75w per L of water. So a 150W lamp can be use for a 200L setup. If you are going for bigger setup, you can try out 0.6w per L.

For the depth of tub, dun go beyong 2ft. For deep tub setup, hahahaha ask CyberET. But that u will need the super high energy source call the Sun.

Cool !

[wombatt]

thanks Matrix. did some calcs based on the info you provided and i'm ok with the 150w mh which i can get the 6500k in. i'm having a custom acrylic tank made so i can control the height of the tank to no more than 20".

[top_view_ranchu]

Hi Wombatt,
For your info!
This is my 5ft X 4ft tub, containing 320L of water. Using 2 X 150W, 8000k each.

Regards,
David Hou

[CyberET]

hehe, outdoor not enough space to put tubs?

[wombatt]

Hi Wombatt,
For your info!
This is my 5ft X 4ft tub, containing 320L of water. Using 2 X 150W, 8000k each.

Regards,
David Hou

awesome David! thanks for the great pic! how long does it take you with your setup after a water change to get green water again?

phoi

[top_view_ranchu]

awesome David! thanks for the great pic! how long does it take you with your setup after a water change to get green water again?

phoi

Hi Phoi,
You're welcome! I'm glad you like it.
I'm not using green water in the set up. It's wall algae if you study carefully.
Anyway, how soon you get green water depend a lot on your stock level, feeding, how long you turn on the MH and amount of seeding.
If you seed about 10%, by right, sud be green by the next day.
Starting from scratch will take around 3 days to see first sigh of green.

This info are base on my own experience with plenty of trial and error. It's more for reference, and till you try it on your own, you'll realise it's not 100% the same.

Regards,
David Hou

[goldrush]

Interesting

So where are your coral chips housed?

I see no filter at all ....only air stones

So what process your nitrogenous waste......................Bacterial Biofilms??????

[wombatt]

Hi Phoi,
You're welcome! I'm glad you like it.
I'm not using green water in the set up. It's wall algae if you study carefully.
Anyway, how soon you get green water depend a lot on your stock level, feeding, how long you turn on the MH and amount of seeding.
If you seed about 10%, by right, sud be green by the next day.
Starting from scratch will take around 3 days to see first sigh of green.

This info are base on my own experience with plenty of trial and error. It's more for reference, and till you try it on your own, you'll realise it's not 100% the same.

Regards,
David Hou

Hi David,

Thats what I thought it was nice carpet algae. I strived so much to keep the carpet algae before when I had my koi pond. That was a sign of good balanced water.

[top_view_ranchu]

Interesting

So where are your coral chips housed?

I see no filter at all ....only air stones

So what process your nitrogenous waste......................Bacterial Biofilms??????

Hahaha........
All the questions & answers all over the threads will sure confuse many, including me!

Doc,
What you're asking are all history to me! I'm a curious person, who'll like to find out and experience things myself. I've tried out many methods of keeping to clear my doubts on informations I gathered.
Now, I'm settled with the Traditional way (in my opinion) of Ranchu keeping. I'm keeping them either in Green Water or Clear Water with wall algae. To me, there's no fun taking short cuts in the hobby.
I suppose the Japanese named many links to this hobby with their traditional culture or sports inorder to enjoy this artistic hobby the traditional way right?
Hope my answer did not disappoint you!

Best regards,
David Hou

[top_view_ranchu]

Hi David,

Thats what I thought it was nice carpet algae. I strived so much to keep the carpet algae before when I had my koi pond. That was a sign of good balanced water.

Hi Phoi,
I didn't succeed with this kinda carpet algae at one go. Like you've mentioned, the difficult part is maintaining it. I gone thru many trial & error too.
Of coz, not forgetting to Thank a good friend of mine who've told me, inorder to achieve this, I have to think like a good farmer!

Regards,
David Hou

[wombatt]

wish you the best of luck David in the upkeep of that beautiful carpet algae

This post has been edited by wombatt: Wed, 02 Aug 2006 2:51 pm

[cheangv]

Hi Phoi,
I didn't succeed with this kinda carpet algae at one go. Like you've mentioned, the difficult part is maintaining it. I gone thru many trial & error too.
Of coz, not forgetting to Thank a good friend of mine who've told me, inorder to achieve this, I have to think like a good farmer!

Regards,
David Hou

So what does a good farmer need to do?

[top_view_ranchu]

So what does a good farmer need to do?

I suppose a good farmer need to find out/know what's the best way for him in maintaining his plant/crop.
What is the correct amount of water, sunlight and fertilizer?

Eg. planting bonsai, you cut and trim what is excess/UNSIGHTLY in your opnion! But of coz, in this situaion you can't do that(maybe you still can if you have the time) . So, in order to maintain the correct carpet length, controlling the 3 substance is important. I'm sorry, but I'm unable to tell you what + what = what? I can only tell you that, with some trial and error, you'll be able to get it. Trust me, you'll find it very interesting during the process and feel much more satisfactory in the achievement. For me, I even had a few surprises!

Regards,
David Hou

[Kinder]

hi everyone

I need some advice as to what kind lighting specification i need for an indoor setup. I did try to search on the forum but with little luck....one article i came across was about lighting for greenwater. As we are going into summer now here i have to move my fishes from outdoor tubs to indoor step. Im a big believer of natural sunlight....anyway it would be nice if any bros could share their knowledge


What type of lighting is needed for a 4ft tank:

1> To maintain healthy goldfish colour?
2> To cultivate healthy wall algae?

This post has been edited by Kinder: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:42 pm