Lionhead And Ranchu Difference Options

[HappyBuddha]

I was at superstar a few days back and I noticed they kept ranchu and lionhead together in the same tank.  Is that a marketing ploy?

Sorry may I know where is super star?

[HappyBuddha]

Check this out

http://www.showranchu.com/eng/knowledge/

Cheers

Yo solo

The article you pointed out is, I believe, originally written by a belgium ranchu breeder Geert Coppens.

You can find the article here titled "Ranchu standaard english". There's also a dutch language version, hence I believe Mr. Coppens wrote it although the thai web site claims they have the copyright.

It's a Apple computer's compressed file which I believe you can use Winzip to expand (or use Stuffit Expander for PC)

I should point out this article refers to Japanese Ranchu (which is different from the topic we're discussing here.)

[jhansolo]

Sorry may I know where is super star? 

superstar is in downtown East Pasir Ris NTUC resort.

Some stuff are okay in price, because it is near to my office and at times we go there to get a bite.

This post has been edited by jhansolo: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:55 pm

[BlueBubble]

Hi BB

What's happening here is here a simple explanation to newbies who have trouble differentiating a lionhead from a ranchu. 

The analogy given by Stan is simple enough and correct enough to help newbies a little.  Hopefully they can understand the basic differences first before they probe deeper.

It's obvious you understand the difference between lionhead and ranchu.  You have to put yourself in their shoes to understand why your explanation will be very difficult and continues to draw a blank for them.



Don't worry about it being misleading... it not that far off and those who already understand won't be be bothered to read this thread to begin with. 

ok, got what you mean.

Agree with you, it is like have to baby talk with baby, right?

[BlueBubble]

Hi, bluebubble.

Ranchu is develop from Lionheads..... does it mean selective breeding?
Ranchu are later versions of Lionhead. Bred to have different attributes...
good side view, good top view, egg shape curved back.. etc etc

I remember
Many many years back,
LFS sell as "shou xing gong" which i believe to be from China,(only think not sure)
There wasn't any Ranchu, Lionheads.
The world means "longetivity" in Chinese.... think something to do with a bald god...
maybe the fish look like the bald god because got no dorsal fin.

Later on Ranchu start to appear in the market.... i believe its from Japan... The word ranchu itself seems be Japanese i think.
The japanese seems to bred them for top view like the koi.

This is again my analogy.
I can roughly tell ranchu from lion heads  based on the physical difference we define.
But i think they are the same fish who look different from the many generations of selective breeding...

Well, all fancy goldfishes came from selective breeding, so in a way, you can say that ranchu and lionhead are the same fish, just like oranda and lionhead are the same fish. After all, the difference between oranda and lionhead is only the dorsal fin, or the lack of it.

But i agree with what HB had said, so do not worry, you are in good hands

[CP]

Terminologies,terminologies.....terminologies.

Frankly,even after reading this thread

http://www.RafflesGold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5

I still dont really know whats the difference between lionhead, Lion Head, Shou Xing, ranchu,lionchu,tigerchu,goosechu,buffalohead,cowhead or whatever head or whatever chu.

There is only one specie of goldfish caurassius auratus.The only distinction to separate a ranchu or lionchu (this topic) or whatever from the orandas or moors
is the absence of the dorsal fin.Period.

All other names given whether lionhead or buffalohead are not of importance to me,perhaps marketing and branding is the main agenda amongst the breeders?

At last year's QH Goldfish competition,under the ranchu category,you will not be disqualified if you send in a lionhead or Shou Xing or lionchu,right?

[The Matrix]

There is only one specie of goldfish caurassius auratus.The only distinction to separate a ranchu or lionchu (this topic) or whatever from the orandas or moors
is the absence of the dorsal fin.Period.

WRONG !

At last year's QH Goldfish competition,under the ranchu category,you will not be disqualified if you send in a lionhead or Shou Xing or lionchu,right?

Shou xing or lionhead definitely cannot be classified in the Ranchu category. Totally different structure and shape.

[CP]

Shou xing or lionhead definitely cannot be classified in the Ranchu category. Totally different structure and shape.

Good afternoon Matrix,

http://www.RafflesGold.com/forums/index.ph...topic=390&st=30

These are entered as ranchus in the competition I had mentioned earlier,to me they look like lionheads (the black and the 1st prize Aquarama winner).So are these ranchus or the organisers do not disqualify lionheads,or are these neither ranchus nor lionheads?

[desireless]

Frankly,even after reading this thread

http://www.RafflesGold.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5

I still dont really know whats the difference between lionhead, Lion Head, Shou Xing, ranchu,lionchu,tigerchu,goosechu,buffalohead,cowhead or whatever head or whatever chu.

The peduncle would give you much hint for the difference between lionhead and ranchu. Even that is not enough, the body shape and tail would be quite different.

[desireless]

Good afternoon Matrix,

http://www.RafflesGold.com/forums/index.ph...topic=390&st=30

These are entered as ranchus in the competition I had mentioned earlier,to me they look like lionheads (the black and the 1st prize Aquarama winner).So are these ranchus or the organisers do not disqualify lionheads,or are these neither ranchus nor lionheads?

You're right. The QH competition indeed have some entries which are lionhead. But I am not sure whether they are categorized seperately or in the same cat as ranchus. Or perhaps lionhead is included as part of other fancy goldfishes.

[The Matrix]

看得出嗎？該是一目了然。

一品級皇族獅頭


一流的蘭疇

[infocus]

看得出嗎？該是一目了然。

一品級皇族獅頭


一流的蘭疇

After seeing your pic, think my baby look more like ranchu. Kekeke.....

[desireless]

A lionchu IS a Ranchu.

What Matrix is trying to highlight here, is the difference between a LIONHEAD and a RANCHU.

You've got to pump the head of your baby further to see if the head develope to the type of head of a lionchu or a true-blue ranchu. After reading that other thread, I am not so sure if it is a lionchu already

[infocus]

A lionchu IS a Ranchu.

What Matrix is trying to highlight here, is the difference between a LIONHEAD and a RANCHU.

You've got to pump the head of your baby further to see if the head develope to the type of head of a lionchu or a true-blue ranchu. After reading that other thread, I am not so sure if it is a lionchu already

Anyone got better ways to pump up the head?

[Goldenpearl]

i seen fi;ms of quarama whit lionchus named and judgde as lionchu.
In my preception a lionchu looks more like a Ranchu, but whit les curf in the back, en more headgrowht.
Stil the have mpre curf and bigger tail whit tuk tham Lionhead, which is almost flat bag.

I think Lionchus are a cros breed between lionhead en Ranchu, or ranchu especialy selecded for big round Wens dont no for sure?
But i do see then as a different variation somthing bewteen Lionhead en Ranchu.

Some Thai Lionchu have great curf big muscular boddy and a ful rasbberry Wen.
I have one me own swimming here he is realy strong, ist not a hich class fish do, but i realy like him
Pump up the head? you meam more Wen growht, wel just keep chanching water freqentley en feed Hikari lionhead, and 4 times a week blood worms / brine shrimp, the rest is genetics.Some fish wil never develop a good Wen beacuase the mis the Gene which make the head grow so big.Also feed spirulina Tabs now and then for collor and mild lactive working.