Fishtalk 2003 Options

[CyberET]

wah .... the fish now speak hokkien, ming-nan dialect instead of cantonese liao.

FuZhou fish har, Union farm lor. That's what u getting from QianHu also mah.

the boss say Tung Hoi fishy too expensive..
anyway he claims he fly over to china to handpick once every few months

[CyberET]

some misc info from sunday's talk

green water:

- protein is around 60%! the vermilion guy alex (the ngee ann poly student on the cna show) did the analysis. who needs chroma when we have free green water 

- regular change of green water is also to prevent kidney failure to to excessively high protein as it gets even greener. got this from another vermilion member.

- normal FL tubes can't reduce ammonia to zero. MH can.

thanks for the updates! anyone went on sunday?

hmm.. did they mention anything about PL tubes?

[square_guy]

thanks for the updates! anyone went on sunday?

hmm.. did they mention anything about PL tubes?

i went on sunday.

i did ask abt PL tubes, but they dun have experience with it. only FL vs MH

[HappyBuddha]

Thanks bro square_guy for taking the time to attend the seminar and brought back some insight, and info on goldfish rearing.

Point 2 something which I have never heard of..... That High protein food can caused kidney failure.  Now I start to ponder whether feeding too much Chroma is a bad thing or not.

I duno know how to put my take on this correctly... but I'll try.

Excessively high protein leads to kidney failture? This is probabably not a cause & effect thingy but an indirect result due to degradion of water quality?

Next, even though Chroma claims it has a min. 60% of proteins it can't be as digestive as free-floating unicellular algae.

Supplying excessive Chroma could result in poor water quality... but it can't be a direct cause for kidney failure...

Strange idea...

[square_guy]

hmm maybe they are not very sure themselve? it was not in the actual talk, but something which one of the members reveal during our conversation.

the poly guy did analyse the green water with (i presume) lab equipment and i'll have to take some of his findings at face value, until he publish.

for discussion sake, i know for sure a constant high protein diet would overload some organs, but am not sure whether it is the kidney. humans do suffer from this as well especially with all those high-protein-low-carbo diet and whatever.

i think once the food is in the stomach, the body will have to break it down no matter wat. even if the protein is not easily absorb, the organs will still try as hard as possible => overwork.

with no proper studies done, we can only rely on the experience of others

[The Matrix]

I duno know how to put my take on this correctly... but I'll try.

Excessively high protein leads to kidney failture?  This is probabably not a cause & effect thingy but an indirect result due to degradion of water quality?

Next, even though Chroma claims it has a min. 60% of proteins it can't be as digestive as free-floating unicellular algae.

Supplying excessive Chroma could result in poor water quality... but it can't be a direct cause for kidney failure...

Strange idea... 

hmmmm .... in a way, i do agree on HB this time. normally an organ failure can be from a weak fish that expose to bad water condition.

Sq, you din ask further right ? or probably the conversation was break down too much that could have been mix around.

This post has been edited by demekin: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 10:42 am

[HappyBuddha]

with no proper studies done, we can only rely on the experience of others 

Yeah man! That's why I am happy to note during the CNA show that Alex from Poly is doing a research on green water. Actually, I thot he's only researching if it's possible to cultivate it indoors. I didn't know he's going as far as finding out the nutrition value too! Woo hoo!

I look forward to him publishing his unbiased results.

[The Matrix]

Yeah man!  That's why I am happy to note during the CNA show that Alex from Poly is doing a research on green water.  Actually, I thot he's only researching if it's possible to cultivate it indoors.  I didn't know he's going as far as finding out the nutrition value too! Woo hoo!

I look forward to him publishing his unbiased results.

u watch the CNA program again leh, see those glass tank all using MH lamps to cultivate the green. So the result might be still biasing towards the use of MH.

[HappyBuddha]

u watch the CNA program again leh, see those glass tank all using MH lamps to cultivate the green. So the result might be still biasing towards the use of MH.

I did tried looking closely but I can't tell what kind of lamp he was using in the lab. MH ah?

Oei, I hope he's doing his research on both indoors and outdoors green water? It seems some people claims indoor's green water (MH or otherwise) are not the same as outdoor ones.

[square_guy]

to be fair, i dun think they are very certain about that the protein causing kidney failure stuff.

we're talking abt green water and they brought up 2 negative point abt it. 1 is O2 burn, the other is about the protein causing kidney failure. upon which i asked whether they have experienced it and he replied "apparently" so.

i dun think it is conclusive, more of their own thoughts thru their experience.

i asked alex whether his results are published anywhere, and he said no. btw it's his final year project.

very shiok har, doing something he really like for studies

[The Matrix]

I did tried looking closely but I can't tell what kind of lamp he was using in the lab.  MH ah? 

Oei, I hope he's doing his research on both indoors and outdoors green water?  It seems some people claims indoor's green water (MH or otherwise) are not the same as outdoor ones.

This i think got to ask ET liao.

ET ... update leh. How's your outdoor tub ?

Erh ... that ... egstring leh ? is he in here ? he also outdoor tub right ?

I noticed something about indoor one - the red is good. BUT the redness below the tummy not there at all. half half like dat.

maybe next time i buy red/white fish with tummy area white one.

[HappyBuddha]

I noticed something about indoor one - the red is good. BUT the redness below the tummy not there at all. half half like dat.

maybe next time i buy red/white fish with tummy area white one. 

Got like dat one meh?

Out of curiosity, I took a look at my ranchus in/was in green water. Sway sway none has any red marking below waistline.

Unless you consider my Cheekysan a red fish, in which case, I just took a look and cannot find such a phenomenon wor.

I did took a bottom view pic of dead Torpedo before I burried him. Er... you don't mean this kind of lack of redness right? I'm sure that's normal.

[LASERGUY]

Got like dat one meh? 

Out of curiosity, I took a look at my ranchus in/was in green water.  Sway sway none has any red marking below waistline. 

Unless you consider my Cheekysan a red fish, in which case, I just took a look and cannot find such a phenomenon wor.

I did took a bottom view pic of dead Torpedo before I burried him.  Er... you don't mean this kind of lack of redness right?    I'm sure that's normal.

Wah, where you buy this cheekysan ? $72 ? Kenna conned ? My latest 4" thai from AC was only $60.

[CyberET]

This i think got to ask ET liao.

ET ... update leh. How's your outdoor tub ?

Erh ... that ... egstring leh ? is he in here ? he also outdoor tub right ?

I noticed something about indoor one - the red is good. BUT the redness below the tummy not there at all. half half like dat.

maybe next time i buy red/white fish with tummy area white one. 

nor, those 4 butterflies in the outdoor tub, only one butterfly is red, the other 3 r pandas, but can tell the red starting to intense up.. but tummy white

but the red ranchu that i had in it before it suffocated was intense red.. tummy also red, but not as red, but its a all red fish in the first place wor

got half red, half faded red ah?

[HappyBuddha]

Wah, where you buy this cheekysan ? $72 ? Kenna conned ? My latest 4" thai from AC was only $60.

fatallan bought both from a bro in AF (remember that bro?)

I had hope for them... but slowly but steadily confirmed that they are, although true japanese, stunt retail grades.

One trait they still have over thais is... they are still very red ah! Damn style man.

That little $60 Thai fatallan bought from AC actually outgrew the japs now after just 2 months (in clear water somemore.) That's how stunt the japanese are. So when I accidentally killed Torpedo a few days ago... I wan't that disappointed especialy since I found out from bro ET that it has severly damaged gills. It amazed bro ET how I could kept it alive for so long.

For $60-$100.... go with a Thai from AC anytime!