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post Tue, 13 Apr 2004 4:30 pm
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my, thats alot of work
i try to keep my fish keeping hobby as simple as possible
so after the initial quarantine (most important stage)
they r left in outdoor tubs with low stocking levels (1fish per 100litres)
water change is done roughly once every 7-10 days
seeding back 10% each time
checks on fish condition is done during water change
they fed by auto feeders which i refill during water change as well, 3 times a day, 2hrs interval in the morning

experiencing not bad results to me, ie 1cm growth a week, color intensing up, and fish bulking up, features development.. however due to space limitation, my fishes growth rate halts at 7inch (in a 400litres tub) unless i shift them to an even larger tub smile.gif
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post Tue, 13 Apr 2004 5:04 pm
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Pat, i like reading your posts. I am relatively new to goldfish rearing (coming close to a year) and i am say.. i find your postings exciting, partly becaz you are a "goldfish farmer". happydance1.gif You are right, its about sharing of experiences, I might not have a champion fish and will never own 1 but I gotta do the right things if i want to keep a fish. And this forum is the place to be. Keep it coming Pat.

oh yei.. its the new year in Thailand. Happy Thai New Year to you Pat :cheers1
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Pat,

Thanks for the detail info. on farm operation, I'm always curious about how Fish farms are run. good_very.gif keep it coming. BTW any pic. of your farm?

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QUOTE(mountain @ Tue 13 Apr 2004 05:04 PM)
Pat, i like reading your posts.  I am relatively new to goldfish rearing (coming close to a year) and i am say.. i find your postings exciting, partly becaz you are a "goldfish farmer".  happydance1.gif You are right, its about sharing of experiences, I might not have a champion fish and will never own 1 but I gotta do the right things if i want to keep a fish. And this forum is the place to be. Keep it coming Pat.

oh yei.. its the new year in Thailand.  Happy Thai New Year to you Pat  :cheers1

Hear hear!
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post Tue, 13 Apr 2004 6:14 pm
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Happy New Year smile.gif

Thank you for your insights. You have put in great effort into your fishes, which unfortunately will be quite impossible for us local hobbyists. I myself could only concentrate my effort on weekly change of my green water tub.

Why is there a need to add in bacteria to the green water? Are these bacteria nitrifying bacteria culture?

What are the risks associated with green water?

I am not sure about your area, but over here in Singapore koi owner don't seems to like green water at all. On a Malaysian website that I have been to (www.koi.com.my), they are also more concerned about getting rid of green water. So you can see that information on green water is actually quite rare.
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post Tue, 13 Apr 2004 6:26 pm
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Probably, it is back to the question of

"Seeing your nice prized fishes" vs "For the benefit of your fishes"

If covered by green water, how are their proud owner going to show off their thousand plus dollars fishes to their friends/customers?
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QUOTE(desireless @ Tue 13 Apr 2004 06:26 PM)
Probably, it is back to the question of

"Seeing your nice prized fishes"  vs  "For the benefit of your fishes"

If covered by green water, how are their proud owner going to show off their thousand plus dollars fishes to their friends/customers?

There's always the option to rotate your fishes in green water tub/pond and a display tank with clear water.

Nevertheless, owners will inspect and enjoy their prized fish at least once a week when they change water... which usually happens during weekend where friends may pop by to drool. So on normal days... the fishes are left alone to groom themselves with little disturbence/stress.

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HB,

you idea is good, no point keeping solid ranchu when you cannot see them in clear water ever once awhile.
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Yo,thanks all the bros for all the precious comments. tongue.gif I have removed the power head filter.Currently using 2 sponge filters for each tanks holding 4 GFs.Should be
allright.Will monitor for a week.Thanks.
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Hi, do take note that sponge (heavily recommended but not subsidized by this forum wink.gif ) needs to be maintained as well. remember to rotate your sponge to be cleaned. during water change, take care not to kill all the BBon the sponges.
cheers and enjoy the hobby
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rotate to wash the sponge once a month in a pail of old tank water wink.gif
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QUOTE(mountain @ Tue 13 Apr 2004 05:04 PM)
Pat, i like reading your posts.  I am relatively new to goldfish rearing (coming close to a year) and i am say.. i find your postings exciting, partly becaz you are a "goldfish farmer".  happydance1.gif You are right, its about sharing of experiences, I might not have a champion fish and will never own 1 but I gotta do the right things if i want to keep a fish. And this forum is the place to be. Keep it coming Pat.

oh yei.. its the new year in Thailand.  Happy Thai New Year to you Pat  :cheers1

I have posted a few in the Yahoo Group Photoshop. I have to admit that I do not know how to use photoshop to reduce the picture. If you like to see some pictures (do not worry about buying fish) of the farm, just drop me a mail and I will send you a bunch of pictures from time to time. I am like all of you here, I really enjoy the fish, and talking to people with the same fish blood running through our veins. Hee, Hee.

I love to show the pictures of the farm, cause I have tried to use my best judgement as a hobbyist and try to work on building the farm from there. They say you have to keep the customer at the heart of your operation, right.

Any how, just drop me a line and I'll send you some pics. Cheers
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i believe HB doesn't mine to spare a few KBs, do post pictures, it'll be interesting to see lots of fish pictures, and your setup smile.gif
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QUOTE(square_guy @ Tue 13 Apr 2004 06:14 PM)
Happy New Year smile.gif

Thank you for your insights. You have put in great effort into your fishes, which unfortunately will be quite impossible for us local hobbyists. I myself could only concentrate my effort on weekly change of my green water tub.

Why is there a need to add in bacteria to the green water? Are these bacteria nitrifying bacteria culture?

What are the risks associated with green water?

I am not sure about your area, but over here in Singapore koi owner don't seems to like green water at all. On a Malaysian website that I have been to (www.koi.com.my), they are also more concerned about getting rid of green water. So you can see that information on green water is actually quite rare.

In most closed system, it is one form or another a green water system. The pond or tank that are in direct sunlight is also a green water system. Most of the koi keeper will use the vortex system (real expensive but most effective with all size of waste particles) but they will hardly do anything inside the pond.

Green water generates lots of bacteria, good and bad. I find that when the water starts to have too much bacteria, something bad always happen. Fin rot, stomach problem, lost of appetite, and colors for example. The system needs to be very complete when it comes to recycling the water, if the filtration system is not big enough for the pond (false of most amateur pond builders and tank keepers who build or buy the tank themselves without consulting any professional) the system becomes a breeding ground for bacteria, and that can only lead to trouble. If your set up is right on, then maintainance is very limited. This is the biggest risk I associate with green water system. The good bacteria that I added in the pond does nothing negative to the fish. They do not even use oxygen so you can be completely sure. Bacterial also helps reduce the risk in association with the "I Am Lazy Today Syndrome".

Thank you very much for all your kind words, especially the title of goldfish farmer. That made me feel very proud to be called that. We have worked very hard to be a good example for the other goldfish farmers in the market here to make them embrace the idea and pride in breeding quality fish rather than the amount of money they can make from breeding fish.

Ranchu has always been a closed tradition for the elite of society since it's conception in China and Japan. I believe that in the new age of globalization, the only sure way to glorify our beloved fish is to share the fish and the knowledge with the whole world. And when we all become experience fish keeper, there will be beautiful fish every where. That's not at all bad.

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QUOTE(Absolute Ranchu @ Thu 15 Apr 2004 05:39 PM)
I have posted a few in the Yahoo Group Photoshop.  I have to admit that I do not know how to use photoshop to reduce the picture.  If you like to see some pictures (do not worry about buying fish) of the farm, just drop me a mail and I will send you a bunch of pictures from time to time.  I am like all of you here, I really enjoy the fish, and talking to people with the same fish blood running through our veins.  Hee, Hee. 

I love to show the pictures of the farm, cause I have tried to use my best judgement as a hobbyist and try to work on building the farm from there. They say you have to keep the customer at the heart of your operation, right.

Any how, just drop me a line and I'll send you some pics. Cheers

hi....

could u email to me your HP or contact number so that I can call u when I am in Thailand. I am not sure of my schedule yet. thanks.

BTW, It would be very helpful if you could email me some of the current fish topview and side view that u have now,... something that I can take back with me this sunday. Thanks

BTW, Please email me at : edteo68@singnet.com.sg
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