My Setup - Sushiman, Low and Broad Multi-levels Glass Tanks |
My Setup - Sushiman, Low and Broad Multi-levels Glass Tanks |
Absolute Ranchu |
Thu, 15 Apr 2004 6:22 pm
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QUOTE(caster @ Thu 15 Apr 2004 06:05 PM) hi.... could u email to me your HP or contact number so that I can call u when I am in Thailand. I am not sure of my schedule yet. thanks. BTW, It would be very helpful if you could email me some of the current fish topview and side view that u have now,... something that I can take back with me this sunday. Thanks BTW, Please email me at : edteo68@singnet.com.sg I am sending you my contact info right now. Look forward to it. |
CyberET |
Thu, 15 Apr 2004 7:09 pm
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White Gold Member No.: 8 Group: Associate Posts: 2,044 Topics Started: 32 Joined: 24-Nov-03 Last seen online: Sat, 05 Mar 2022 11:35 am User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: Yes Country: Singapore |
QUOTE(Absolute Ranchu @ Thu 15 Apr 2004 05:58 PM) In most closed system, it is one form or another a green water system. The pond or tank that are in direct sunlight is also a green water system. Most of the koi keeper will use the vortex system (real expensive but most effective with all size of waste particles) but they will hardly do anything inside the pond. Green water generates lots of bacteria, good and bad. I find that when the water starts to have too much bacteria, something bad always happen. Fin rot, stomach problem, lost of appetite, and colors for example. The system needs to be very complete when it comes to recycling the water, if the filtration system is not big enough for the pond (false of most amateur pond builders and tank keepers who build or buy the tank themselves without consulting any professional) the system becomes a breeding ground for bacteria, and that can only lead to trouble. If your set up is right on, then maintainance is very limited. This is the biggest risk I associate with green water system. The good bacteria that I added in the pond does nothing negative to the fish. They do not even use oxygen so you can be completely sure. Bacterial also helps reduce the risk in association with the "I Am Lazy Today Syndrome". Thank you very much for all your kind words, especially the title of goldfish farmer. That made me feel very proud to be called that. We have worked very hard to be a good example for the other goldfish farmers in the market here to make them embrace the idea and pride in breeding quality fish rather than the amount of money they can make from breeding fish. Ranchu has always been a closed tradition for the elite of society since it's conception in China and Japan. I believe that in the new age of globalization, the only sure way to glorify our beloved fish is to share the fish and the knowledge with the whole world. And when we all become experience fish keeper, there will be beautiful fish every where. That's not at all bad. Sawasdee krap why when the water has too much bacteria, something bad happens? how do u know what bacteria u r adding specifically, and it doesn't use oxygen at all? if too much bacteria and something will happen, then y r u adding bacteria? |
sushiman |
Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:44 pm
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Ordinary Member No.: 170 Group: Member Posts: 25 Topics Started: 11 Joined: 9-Apr-04 Last seen online: Sun, 06 May 2018 12:02 am User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: No Country: Singapore |
sori bro mountain & cyberet,what do u mean by rotate?
I m currently using 1 sponge filter only.Just changed ater last nite. By using pail of old tank water to wash the sponge. Thanks again for the advise.Now already stopped buying although hand itchy.Hehe... |
Seacucumber |
Sat, 17 Apr 2004 1:30 pm
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Li Eh Piao Cheng Jin Pian Tai Member No.: 10 Group: Associate Posts: 1,920 Topics Started: 65 Joined: 10-Dec-03 Last seen online: Sun, 28 May 2017 1:52 am User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: Yes Country: Singapore |
QUOTE(sushiman @ Sat 17 Apr 2004 12:44 PM) sori bro mountain & cyberet,what do u mean by rotate? I m currently using 1 sponge filter only.Just changed ater last nite. By using pail of old tank water to wash the sponge. Thanks again for the advise.Now already stopped buying although hand itchy.Hehe... wat they mean is that if u use 2 sponge filter, every time u wash filter, just wash one and dun wash the other....the next time, wash the one that u didn't wash the other time and dun wash the one u had wash previously..... aiyoh......u understand my chimchim explanation or not?? hehehehehe |
mountain |
Sat, 17 Apr 2004 1:44 pm
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Week 1 : Sponge A and Sponge B in tank
Week 2 : Sponge A in tank, wash Sponge B, put back sponge B Week 3 : Wash Sponge A and put back in tank, leave Sponge B in Tank. Week 4 : Sponge A in tank, wash Sponge B, put back sponge B Week 5 : Wash Sponge A and put back in tank, leave Sponge B in Tank. Week 6 : Sponge A in tank, wash Sponge B, put back sponge B . . . . . |
Seacucumber |
Sat, 17 Apr 2004 1:58 pm
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Li Eh Piao Cheng Jin Pian Tai Member No.: 10 Group: Associate Posts: 1,920 Topics Started: 65 Joined: 10-Dec-03 Last seen online: Sun, 28 May 2017 1:52 am User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: Yes Country: Singapore |
QUOTE(mountain @ Sat 17 Apr 2004 01:44 PM) Week 1 : Sponge A and Sponge B in tank Week 2 : Sponge A in tank, wash Sponge B, put back sponge B Week 3 : Wash Sponge A and put back in tank, leave Sponge B in Tank. Week 4 : Sponge A in tank, wash Sponge B, put back sponge B Week 5 : Wash Sponge A and put back in tank, leave Sponge B in Tank. Week 6 : Sponge A in tank, wash Sponge B, put back sponge B . . . . . |
sushiman |
Sat, 17 Apr 2004 5:07 pm
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Ordinary Member No.: 170 Group: Member Posts: 25 Topics Started: 11 Joined: 9-Apr-04 Last seen online: Sun, 06 May 2018 12:02 am User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: No Country: Singapore |
yo,very paiseh leh.I got i t now.Thanks a lot.
Andy,hope to meet up with u guys this coming wed. |
Absolute Ranchu |
Sat, 17 Apr 2004 5:34 pm
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Silver Member No.: 169 Group: Member Posts: 123 Topics Started: 6 Joined: 7-Apr-04 Last seen online: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:26 pm User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: Yes Country: Thailand |
QUOTE(Absolute Ranchu @ Thu 15 Apr 2004 06:22 PM) I am sending you my contact info right now. Look forward to it. The bacteria sold all have similar characteristics, and they do not use oxygen to breath. (The products are advertised as such, even the one from the States). I use bacteria to battle the bad things that may happen. I do not use live feeds with my large fish, because the risk of lost is too high,and they do not really need it to really grow big. I ciphon in fresh water at regular intervals to reduces the possibility of soil water. One hot afternoon in the sun, my pond (if it has a bad virus, for example)will be filled with that virus, more and more as the day progress. My filtration system can only take care of certain negative elements and organisms, not all. If you leave regular water in the sun for a few days, it will start to soil, due to many reasons. My pond is outside and is exposed to more things than most of the tanks inside. The same reason, however, works in your tank as well. Why wouldn't it? Changing the water too many time sytematically can lead to the degrading of the fish scales condition, and color. When I think of my pond,I often think of it as my biological experiment. Have you ever cultures germs in the lab. Our ponds and tanks are a lot like these cultured experiments, as well. All the measures that I use are all used in combination to minimize all risks for my fish. |
CyberET |
Sun, 18 Apr 2004 11:37 am
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White Gold Member No.: 8 Group: Associate Posts: 2,044 Topics Started: 32 Joined: 24-Nov-03 Last seen online: Sat, 05 Mar 2022 11:35 am User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: Yes Country: Singapore |
QUOTE(Absolute Ranchu @ Sat 17 Apr 2004 05:34 PM) The bacteria sold all have similar characteristics, and they do not use oxygen to breath. (The products are advertised as such, even the one from the States). I use bacteria to battle the bad things that may happen. I do not use live feeds with my large fish, because the risk of lost is too high,and they do not really need it to really grow big. I ciphon in fresh water at regular intervals to reduces the possibility of soil water. One hot afternoon in the sun, my pond (if it has a bad virus, for example)will be filled with that virus, more and more as the day progress. My filtration system can only take care of certain negative elements and organisms, not all. If you leave regular water in the sun for a few days, it will start to soil, due to many reasons. My pond is outside and is exposed to more things than most of the tanks inside. The same reason, however, works in your tank as well. Why wouldn't it? Changing the water too many time sytematically can lead to the degrading of the fish scales condition, and color. When I think of my pond,I often think of it as my biological experiment. Have you ever cultures germs in the lab. Our ponds and tanks are a lot like these cultured experiments, as well. All the measures that I use are all used in combination to minimize all risks for my fish. what's the name of this product ? need to find if on the shelves in singapore. or do you have a weblink? any other alternative product or methods besides using the bacteria? u said it.. my outdoor tub has flower petals, dead insects, dog hair Real nuisance. Dunno will bird shit on it or not. sometimes i catch my dog drinking out of my tub too, maybe will have more shiny coat Many of us do weekly change. Probably once a while suck off dirt and top up. Would it be better, in your practise, that we do a once a day to suck off the dirts to keep the water clean ? As most of us using filter, it's quite difficult to clean the filter daily. Quite troublesome. washing just one chamber of my pond filter already takes 1/2hr I don't see any filter in your ponds. What's the filter system u are talking about ? could u provide photos please? thanks other than computer virus, that could be the best "germs" i come about. regret i never pay attention during sci lessons, lab stuffs too chim to understand. |
Absolute Ranchu |
Sun, 18 Apr 2004 4:50 pm
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Silver Member No.: 169 Group: Member Posts: 123 Topics Started: 6 Joined: 7-Apr-04 Last seen online: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:26 pm User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: Yes Country: Thailand |
Most of the product I use come from Whitecrane company in Thailand. They also export to SG, and they also have a booth at the Aquarama,every year. Their products should not be too difficult to find.
Adding pro-biotic is not a new thing. Food like Saki Hikari added probiotic (similar to lactobacilus) to help with the assimilation of the feed. The same goes for germs inside our body, we also have good germs inside us that helps to digest food. Cheers. |
Absolute Ranchu |
Sun, 18 Apr 2004 4:55 pm
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Silver Member No.: 169 Group: Member Posts: 123 Topics Started: 6 Joined: 7-Apr-04 Last seen online: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:26 pm User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: Yes Country: Thailand |
QUOTE(CyberET @ Sun 18 Apr 2004 11:37 AM) what's the name of this product ? need to find if on the shelves in singapore. or do you have a weblink? any other alternative product or methods besides using the bacteria? u said it.. my outdoor tub has flower petals, dead insects, dog hair Real nuisance. Dunno will bird shit on it or not. sometimes i catch my dog drinking out of my tub too, maybe will have more shiny coat Many of us do weekly change. Probably once a while suck off dirt and top up. Would it be better, in your practise, that we do a once a day to suck off the dirts to keep the water clean ? As most of us using filter, it's quite difficult to clean the filter daily. Quite troublesome. washing just one chamber of my pond filter already takes 1/2hr I don't see any filter in your ponds. What's the filter system u are talking about ? could u provide photos please? thanks other than computer virus, that could be the best "germs" i come about. regret i never pay attention during sci lessons, lab stuffs too chim to understand. We also have a very large and friendly Golden at the farm. Loves to sleep under the pond, jump in the pond sometime, and steal fish food. What can we do. She is our mascot. She is much better now, now she just jump on me. |
CyberET |
Mon, 19 Apr 2004 5:40 am
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White Gold Member No.: 8 Group: Associate Posts: 2,044 Topics Started: 32 Joined: 24-Nov-03 Last seen online: Sat, 05 Mar 2022 11:35 am User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: Yes Country: Singapore |
QUOTE(Absolute Ranchu @ Sun 18 Apr 2004 04:50 PM) Most of the product I use come from Whitecrane company in Thailand. They also export to SG, and they also have a booth at the Aquarama,every year. Their products should not be too difficult to find. Adding pro-biotic is not a new thing. Food like Saki Hikari added probiotic (similar to lactobacilus) to help with the assimilation of the feed. The same goes for germs inside our body, we also have good germs inside us that helps to digest food. Cheers. any comments on food containing lysine? |
CyberET |
Mon, 19 Apr 2004 5:43 am
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White Gold Member No.: 8 Group: Associate Posts: 2,044 Topics Started: 32 Joined: 24-Nov-03 Last seen online: Sat, 05 Mar 2022 11:35 am User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: Yes Country: Singapore |
QUOTE(Absolute Ranchu @ Sun 18 Apr 2004 04:55 PM) We also have a very large and friendly Golden at the farm. Loves to sleep under the pond, jump in the pond sometime, and steal fish food. What can we do. She is our mascot. She is much better now, now she just jump on me. mine love to sleep under the car, and when i'm not looking finish up whatever fish food thats at the water surface before the kois can finish it but hes scared of the water.. not a common golden behaviour |
Absolute Ranchu |
Mon, 19 Apr 2004 1:24 pm
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Silver Member No.: 169 Group: Member Posts: 123 Topics Started: 6 Joined: 7-Apr-04 Last seen online: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:26 pm User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: Yes Country: Thailand |
QUOTE(CyberET @ Mon 19 Apr 2004 05:40 AM) any comments on food containing lysine? Not a clue, please kindly illuminate. |
Absolute Ranchu |
Mon, 19 Apr 2004 1:28 pm
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Silver Member No.: 169 Group: Member Posts: 123 Topics Started: 6 Joined: 7-Apr-04 Last seen online: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:26 pm User's local time: Tue, 07 Jan 2025 8:27 pm Green Water: Yes Country: Thailand |
QUOTE(CyberET @ Mon 19 Apr 2004 05:43 AM) mine love to sleep under the car, and when i'm not looking finish up whatever fish food thats at the water surface before the kois can finish it but hes scared of the water.. not a common golden behaviour Our Annie (part Golden, part Crazy Scott Terrier) has not yet learned that trick of eating from the ponds yet. I'll be sure not to give her any ideas. Too smart this girl. She is more calm now, she's pregnant. Soon, there should be more Golden jumping in the Absolute ponds soon. (Having a headache just thinking about that.) |
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