Lionhead And Ranchu Difference Options

[stan]

Hi, i just found this web site,

I posted above topic on above at arofanatics, thought i would post it here to get better response.

What is the difference between a Lionhead and a ranchu?

Lionhead-- much head growth, short stout body, small tail.

Ranchu- less head growth, longer body, open tail.

Or
Liohead is for side view,
Ranchu for top view,

Are these 2 species of fish or the same fish bred differently to have different attributes.[COLOR=orange][SIZE=7]


someone pls enlighten,

[void]

to my understanding...

lionhead has more masive head growth than ranchu...

lionhead has straighter back (their backs do not really arch that nicely)... when view top or side view, they look like swimming chicken drumsticks...

those ranchus that have massive headgrowth are supposed to be called lionchu?!?

1st pic: lionhead
2nd pic: ranchu

[HappyBuddha]

A drumstick.



I believe we coined the name "Lionchu" not too long ago in AF.

It was meant to poke fun at lionhead fishes that LFS pass off as ranchus.

Some, however, have since mistaken the term Lionchu as Ranchu with a Lionhead type of head. To me this type of ranchu is a "Lionhead Ranchu", not a "Lionchu"! These Lionhead Ranchu are beautiful fishes.

Lionchu are butt ugly "ranchu".

[Greenhorn Yeo]

I think the price is quite different. The other day when I went AC, the lion head cost about $80 but the top quality ranchu from thailand cost more than $100. If that's the case, I prefer the lion head, nicer and cheaper.

[void]

A drumstick. 

I believe we coined the name "Lionchu" not too long ago in AF.

It was meant to poke fun at lionhead fishes that LFS pass off as ranchus.

Some, however, have since mistaken the term Lionchu as Ranchu with a Lionhead type of head.  To me this type of ranchu is a "Lionhead Ranchu", not a "Lionchu"!  These Lionhead Ranchu are beautiful fishes.

Lionchu are butt ugly "ranchu".

thanks for clearing up, HB... i almost got conned by the term lionchu...

[void]

I think the price is quite different. The other day when I went AC, the lion head cost about $80 but the top quality ranchu from thailand cost more than $100. If that's the case, I prefer the lion head, nicer and cheaper.

well, it's kind of difficult to find good lionheads (to my liking )... either their back is too straight or they are kinked in a way...

[stan]

so i think ranchu amd lionhead basically are the same fish,

just that they look different,

some with more curve backs, egg shaped, less head growth,
we call them ranchu.

those with curve backs and egg shaped but with more head growth
we call them Lionhead ranchu or lionchu.

Those with straighter backs or less curve backs and more head growth
We call then lion heads.

these fishes may come from different breeders that come through selective breeding to make them look the way they want to.

Some lionheads may look more like ranchu and vice versa.
Curve back ranchus may be more difficult or less quantity in a brood and hence the higher price.

This is my analogy, don't know if it is correct.?

[void]

tell u the truth, me also blur blur... some people some it's a ranchu... some people say it's a lionhead...

dun care if it's a lionhead or a ranchu... can attract my heart, is always a good fish..

[HappyBuddha]

so i think ranchu amd lionhead basically are ....

Your analogy is quite right for now.

Do you frequent QianHu? Even if you have not seen their goldfish on sale, I'm sure you have come across posting by many bros here and elsewhere about their new RANCHU bought at QianHu. Now if you pay attention to the labeling in mandarin on the tubs, you will seldom see they label the fishes as "Lan Chou" but "Shou Xing" instead. Argh!!! Pple bought lionhead (shou xing) but wrote and posted pics of their "ranchu".

Have I confused you?

Don't worry about the above. I'm only trying to tell you your analogy is right, for now. Eventually as you spend more time looking at Ranchus and Lionhead, you will be able to spot the differences easily. By then you'll know your analogy is indeed quite right but... there're more involved.





Sweeeeeee.

[stan]

Hi HappyBuddha,

Glad that some one tell me these 2 fish are basically the same,
They look different like us humans,

Plus marketing hype,
some will sell more x than others. to market and get more profits.

Good lionheads can be ranchu. depending on how handsome they are...

Think at QH, the people just label the tubs, shouxing, ranchu or lion heads.
they don't really bother.

[BlueBubble]

Lionhead is the same as ranchu???

No lah... no wonder more and more people got confused. It is quite acceptable that LFS are ignorant about this but to claim this in a respectable goldfish forum is really unacceptable

Ranchus are developed from Lionhead, but they are definitely not Lionhead. They have different sets of criteria

Good lionheads are GOOD LIONHEADS. They'll never change into ranchus just because they are handsome. They are handsome simply bec they are good lionheads.

Grab it when you see a GOOD LIONHEAD, bec it is difficult to come by.....

[HappyBuddha]

Lionhead is the same as ranchu??? 

No lah... no wonder more and more people got confused. It is quite acceptable that LFS are ignorant about this but to claim this in a respectable goldfish forum is really unacceptable 

Ranchus are developed from Lionhead, but they are definitely not Lionhead. They have different sets of criteria

Good lionheads are GOOD LIONHEADS. They'll never change into ranchus just because they are handsome. They are handsome simply bec they are good lionheads.

Grab it when you see a GOOD LIONHEAD, bec it is difficult to come by.....

Hi BB

What's happening here is here a simple explanation to newbies who have trouble differentiating a lionhead from a ranchu.

The analogy given by Stan is simple enough and correct enough to help newbies a little. Hopefully they can understand the basic differences first before they probe deeper.

It's obvious you understand the difference between lionhead and ranchu. You have to put yourself in their shoes to understand why your explanation will be very difficult and continues to draw a blank for them.



Don't worry about it being misleading... it not that far off and those who already understand won't be be bothered to read this thread to begin with.

[stan]

Hi, bluebubble.

Ranchu is develop from Lionheads..... does it mean selective breeding?
Ranchu are later versions of Lionhead. Bred to have different attributes...
good side view, good top view, egg shape curved back.. etc etc

I remember
Many many years back,
LFS sell as "shou xing gong" which i believe to be from China,(only think not sure)
There wasn't any Ranchu, Lionheads.
The world means "longetivity" in Chinese.... think something to do with a bald god...
maybe the fish look like the bald god because got no dorsal fin.

Later on Ranchu start to appear in the market.... i believe its from Japan... The word ranchu itself seems be Japanese i think.
The japanese seems to bred them for top view like the koi.

This is again my analogy.
I can roughly tell ranchu from lion heads based on the physical difference we define.
But i think they are the same fish who look different from the many generations of selective breeding...

[jhansolo]

I was at superstar a few days back and I noticed they kept ranchu and lionhead together in the same tank. Is that a marketing ploy?

[jhansolo]

Check this out

http://www.showranchu.com/eng/knowledge/

Cheers