My Tank Setup - Bud_(",) Options

[square_guy]

gee, u r quite gungho to go into gravel without knowing the shortcomings!

like g-string said, bad bacteria could thrive there. If the gravel layer is deep enough and anerobic region develop, anerobic bacteria (in the presence of carbon source) could produce hydrogen sulfide gas. This gas, when released into the water, is extremely toxic to fishes. Thus it is recommended to clean the gravel frequently to clear away such anerobic region and waste.

that's why I said it can still work but need more effort.

[Bud_(",)]

dun think there's enough aeration just from the OHF.
seriously ask you to remove the gravels.
yes....BB will more or less thrive in gravel...BUT so do other harmful bacteria....

if you wanna keep your gravels, you have to be extra diligent in water change....
and 25-30% change is definately no enough....unless you feed your fish teeny weeny bits of food once a day, which i doubt so......heehehehe...

gee, u r quite gungho to go into gravel without knowing the shortcomings!

like g-string said, bad bacteria could thrive there. If the gravel layer is deep enough and anerobic region develop, anerobic bacteria (in the presence of carbon source) could produce hydrogen sulfide gas. This gas, when released into the water, is extremely toxic to fishes. Thus it is recommended to clean the gravel frequently to clear away such anerobic region and waste.

that's why I said it can still work but need more effort.

i see.... i read on an acticle on anerobic b4, but tot it only turns unused nitrate back to ammonia, din noe it can do so much harm...

but since i already started, den might as well i be e guinea pig lor...
see how it goes lor... try to reduce e nitrate level see how, but anyway nothing has happen yet... thanks alot g-string n square_guy

[square_guy]

way to go! goldfish in a gravel tank looks wonderful, just that I am too lazy to maintain it

[CyberET]

think the gravel need to put more for it to be effective

[HappyBuddha]

I think I'll put lots of marble balls instead. At least they'll catch my grandchildren's short attention span.

What? Marble balls are not found in goldfish's natural environment?

Can find goldfish in nature meh?

Hence, marble ball is fine.

So are some broken beer bottles.... or even... your old handphones (just take out the battery)...

My point is... what's so great about gravel if it does more harm then esthetic?

[Bud_(",)]

I think I'll put lots of marble balls instead.  At least they'll catch my grandchildren's short attention span.

What?  Marble balls are not found in goldfish's natural environment?

Can find goldfish in nature meh? 

Hence, marble ball is fine.

So are some broken beer bottles.... or even... your old handphones (just take out the battery)...

My point is... what's so great about gravel if it does more harm then esthetic?

i dun tink i get wat u meant, neither do i wish to misinterpret either...

Do u mean there is no point in tryin wat ppl dun do or dun try as not to experience it, or should i jus heed advice blindly??

[Seacucumber]

hehehe.....HB doesn't mean that.
relax....

you can try, but dun try with expensive or precious fishes.....

this might be a good chance for you and everyone reading this thread in RG to know how much waste goldfish actually generates....heehee

you might want to post a pic just before water change.

[HappyBuddha]

i dun tink i get wat u meant, neither do i wish to misinterpret either...

Do u mean there is no point in tryin wat ppl dun do or dun try as not to experience it, or should i jus heed advice blindly??

My point is gravel isn't nice in a goldfish tank. They look great (and a must) in a planted tank but as silly as decorating a goldfish tank with a bed of used handphones. The gravel bed doesn't even do the job of providing bio filtration well (unlike in a planted tank) as goldfish discharge too high a waste load. Ask the uncle at the LFS if he feed as much as you do or at all his goldfish in that tank.

Sometimes it's good to take advises as it is; why experience burning your palm by dipping it into boiling water when you were already told it will hurt right?

Feel free to start a poll (by clicking on near the top of your screen) to find out how many bros has gravels in his goldfish tank. I could only think of bro Caster.

[The Matrix]

i dun tink i get wat u meant, neither do i wish to misinterpret either...

Do u mean there is no point in tryin wat ppl dun do or dun try as not to experience it, or should i jus heed advice blindly??

Aesthetic or practical ?

Be it gravel or any other base decorative, as long as the keeper maintain it well, anything goes.

Most of the experience hobbyists understood that goldfish is one dirty fellow and keeping a bare tank already quite a challenge. Addition of substrate increases the workload drastically. They would advice against it for many other reasons. If one insists of the beauty of the tank setup, so be it.

Experience comes with a price.

[Bud_(",)]

well... thanks for e concerns... but im willing to try la, maybe jus keep u guys update, as long as my fish dun die.... well, i also agree tat experience comes with a price... my dad kept fishes since im young, 7 tanks of different fishes b4 i shifted here, n personally have kept ranchu once but died within a month( 6-8 years back)... tis time round for i only have one casualty, died mysteriously, should be internal bac... all fishes so far only sick but din die... tis time round i actually started off usin pebbles for 1 month plus, clear pebbles as is dirty den clear tank for ard 2 months b4 decided to use gravels... short period of time compared to bros here who maybe kept GFs for years, but still my family have kept fishes ever since im pri. 1( includin GFs) dun worry guys, i have confidence in maintainin e tank... take care n thanks

This post has been edited by Bud_(",): Wed, 23 Jun 2004 1:45 pm

[mountain]

Hi Bud, do enjoy the hobby and always come in and share information. such as tank updates or your fish updates, or what u have discovered. if we dun share, we dun learn. Its a hobby, enjoy what u are doing.

[Seacucumber]

well... thanks for e concerns... but im willing to try la, maybe jus keep u guys update, as long as my fish dun die.... well, i also agree tat experience comes with a price... my dad kept fishes since im young, 7 tanks of different fishes b4 i shifted here, n personally have kept ranchu once but died within a month( 6-8 years back)... tis time round for i only have one casualty, died mysteriously, should be internal bac... all fishes so far only sick but din die...    tis time round i actually started off usin pebbles for 1 month plus, clear pebbles as is dirty den clear tank for ard 2 months b4 decided to use gravels... short period of time compared to bros here who maybe kept GFs for years, but still my family have kept fishes ever since im pri. 1( includin GFs) dun worry guys, i have confidence in maintainin e tank... take care n thanks 

hey bro Bud,
dun just try to keep your fish alive....must keep it beautifully....
provide them with good water quality and adequate food is a basic must....

a growing grade AAA fish in a sparsely stock tank is a million times better than a stunted showgrade fish in a cramped 2ft tank with unwashed gravels and lousy filtration....

erm....you get my point or not?? hehehehehe

[white horse T1]

hey bro Bud,
dun just try to keep your fish alive....must keep it beautifully....
provide them with good water quality and adequate food is a basic must....

a growing grade AAA fish in a sparsely stock tank is a million times better than a stunted showgrade fish in a cramped 2ft tank with unwashed gravels and lousy filtration....

erm....you get my point or not?? hehehehehe

what ...where....who talking to me again?.....

[Bud_(",)]

Hi Bud, do enjoy the hobby and always come in and share information. such as tank updates or your fish updates, or what u have discovered. if we dun share, we dun learn. Its a hobby, enjoy what u are doing.

haha.. no problems, we are all here to learn n share rite
still have lots to learn from u guys, im jus e type tat is stubborn n have to try n experience some stuff i dun believe in

[Bud_(",)]

hey bro Bud,
dun just try to keep your fish alive....must keep it beautifully....
provide them with good water quality and adequate food is a basic must....

a growing grade AAA fish in a sparsely stock tank is a million times better than a stunted showgrade fish in a cramped 2ft tank with unwashed gravels and lousy filtration....

erm....you get my point or not?? hehehehehe

yes i do & absolutely agree wif wat u say!!!!